For those that say BBC is unbiased

Basically, Right wing is libertarianism Left wing is socialism. It is far more complex than that, we had a discussion about it in speaker corner a while back with a lot of images pasted that showed the left right divide.

You see the bbc convinces the population that the right wing is evil and the that left wing is good like i said earlier.

The bbc political perspective:

No such thing as far left, left is wonderful and awesome, liberals center are ok, no such thing as a good right, all right is evil and far right.




The bbc pushes the idea that nazism is right and that left is the only alternative, which is obviously ridiculous. Where then would pro capitalism, less government and liberty be on the the bbc political scale?

The bbc idea of balanced, have some illiterate person on who claims to be pro capitalism but is obviously just liberal next to some extremely articulate leftist.
 
The most extreme right-wing movements have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority.
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How does that equate to the right being libertarianism?
 
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You aren't being rational because you are saying that people who are very definitely pro-capitalist are not. Doing this undermines your own argument.

You are also making sweeping statements about the employees of the organisation without any knowledge of those employees and you are espousing your opinions based on these assumption as fact.

This is not rational behaviour.

Go to Boro, breath the sweet, sweet air of capitalist industry and see unemployment, poverty and lack or prospects and tell me what is right with it. It's a town that can't even spell it's own name.
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I am basing my opinions on the programming that i see on the BBC. whether someone claims to be pro capitalism in principle is irrelevant. The point was is anyone openly pro capitalism or openly rightist on the bbc and the answer is obviously no. There is no one. The people you pointed out are statists liberals who claim to like capitalism.

Take Michael Portillo who was given as an example and does play the part of the "conservative mouth piece" on the bbc and the example you reiterated.

Taken from his wikipedia page:

On 1 February 2000, William Hague promoted Portillo to the Shadow Cabinet as Deputy Leader and Shadow Chancellor. On 3 February Portillo stood opposite the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown, in the House of Commons for the first time in his new role. During this session, Portillo made two significant announcements:

The next Conservative Government will respect the independence of the Bank of England and will legislate to enhance that independence and increase accountability to Parliament
The next Conservative Government will not repeal the national minimum wage[17]
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Obviously not rightist. Just a liberal statist who is not pro socialism.
 
groen said:
Basically, Right wing is libertarianism Left wing is socialism.
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Left wing is closer to socialism/progressivism, right wing is closer to capitalism/traditionalism.

You need to split the economic left/right from the social left/right.

Neither one as inheritable libertarian or authoritarian, as you can get left/right libertarianism or left/right authoritarianism.

groen said:
ok then what is libertarianism? You tell me, left or right ?
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It's neither.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarianism

Right-libertarianism is a term used by some political analysts, academics and media sources to describe those libertarian political philosophies which, in addition to supporting self-ownership and limited government, are supportive of strong private property rights and often capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

Left-libertarianism (or Left-wing libertarianism) names several related but distinct approaches to politics, society, culture, and political and social theory, which stress equally both individual freedom and social justice.
 
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elmarko said:
Left wing is closer to socialism/progressivism, right wing is closer to capitalism/traditionalism.

You need to split the economic left/right from the social left/right.

Neither one as inheritable libertarian or authoritarian, as you can get left/right libertarianism or left/right authoritarianism.

It's neither.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarianism

Right-libertarianism is a term used by some political analysts, academics and media sources to describe those libertarian political philosophies which, in addition to supporting self-ownership and limited government, are supportive of strong private property rights and often capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

Left-libertarianism (or Left-wing libertarianism) names several related but distinct approaches to politics, society, culture, and political and social theory, which stress equally both individual freedom and social justice.
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You are completely correct, but I can safely say that nobody will pay any attention and assume that Right Wing has everything to do with fascist dictators and hysterically proclaim that they shouldn't have the right to vote or voice an opinion.
 
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This is the real left right dichotomy not the BBC brainwashed left right. See how the bbc sits as far left as they can get away with.

The bbc is pro marxism pro socialism and anti-capitalism. They would be pro communism if they could get away with it.

For elmarko. No such thing as left libertarianism, that is a misnomer.

 
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groen said:
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This is the real left right dichotomy not the BBC brainwashed left right. See how the bbc sits as far left as they can get away with.

The bbc is pro marxism pro socialism and anti-capitalism. They would be pro communism if they could get away with it.

For elmarko. No such thing as left libertarianism, that is a misnomer.

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Do you not think that chart is inherently biased?.

What kind of idiotic chart would put socialism on the same line as fascism & communism (as I assume by communism they mean communist socialism) & socialism by it's more modern meaning.

IE, a chart created by a right wing American loony who can't distinguish the difference between Stalinist Communism & modern socialism.

A two dimensional chart is going to be a bit flawed for this kind of thing.

What you are presenting is a false dichotomy.

On a side note, that looks like it was created by a 15 year old on MS Paint - finally, any chart which feels the need to say "A true view!!!!" - is enough to get my suspicion up.

I found a nice bit to help you understand what left-libertarianism may be (tried to find an example basic enough for you to understand).

"Leftists prefer cooperatives and rightists prefer markets.

Leftists claim that markets are exploitative in nature and can't comply with libertarianism, rightists say that collectivism will always lead to totalitarianism." - (not a definition I'd use, but it's one example as to how they can differ).

Do you get it yet?.
 
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groen said:
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This is the real left right dichotomy not the BBC brainwashed left right. See how the bbc sits as far left as they can get away with.

The bbc is pro marxism pro socialism and anti-capitalism. They would be pro communism if they could get away with it.

For elmarko. No such thing as left libertarianism, that is a misnomer.

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And this is why no one takes you seriously, you think you're intelligent but really you spout the worse BS of anyone. This was what i was getting at in the other thread using small words and short sentences to satirise your post.

By the way, the first diagram is wrong, Nazis are far right Facists
 
robgmun said:
And this is why no one takes you seriously, you think you're intelligent but really you spout the worse BS of anyone. This was what i was getting at in the other thread using small words and short sentences to satirise your post.

By the way, the first diagram is wrong, Nazis are far right Facists
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Gilly said:
How can they be? Fascism is leftism :rolleyes:
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Freakbro said:
But they were the National Socialist German Workers' Party!

So they must have been a group of tree hugging liberal hippies....no?

I'm confused :(
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:D
 
groen said:
Basically, Right wing is libertarianism Left wing is socialism. It is far more complex than that, we had a discussion about it in speaker corner a while back with a lot of images pasted that showed the left right divide.

You see the bbc convinces the population that the right wing is evil and the that left wing is good like i said earlier.

The bbc political perspective:

No such thing as far left, left is wonderful and awesome, liberals center are ok, no such thing as a good right, all right is evil and far right.




The bbc pushes the idea that nazism is right and that left is the only alternative, which is obviously ridiculous. Where then would pro capitalism, less government and liberty be on the the bbc political scale?

The bbc idea of balanced, have some illiterate person on who claims to be pro capitalism but is obviously just liberal next to some extremely articulate leftist.
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Is BBC worldwide anti-capitalism? With the £150million they make from commercial enterprises every year?
 
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