Triple 7 crashes at San Fransisco International.

How could they determine if the plane was not faulty this early after the crash? A meticulous examination would take longer than a day surely?
 
ElliorR said:
How could they determine if the plane was not faulty this early after the crash? A meticulous examination would take longer than a day surely?
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They'll know pretty quickly from the pilot testimony, other witnesses and flight recorder data which is immediately to hand. They've not stated explicitly yet as far as I'm aware, but what they have said is not far short of "controlled flight into terrain".
 
Suarez7 said:
That's exactly what caused it. Will probably lose his pilots license if found to be pilot error.

Flying at 3:15 today, dunno what plane I'm on though lol!
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OK guys, let's tell the NTSB investigators to go home and enjoy the weekend, investigation is finished thanks to the dedicated effort and skill of an OcUKer. :D
 
Scuzi said:
There has never been an aviation accident which has been attributable to one cause.
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I find that surprising, not that I don't believe it, I just would have thought at least one accident would have been caused by one issue. So there's never been a failure in the landing gear because the landing gear was faulty? Or am I being dense?

Unless it's going to be something like

Accident Report:

1) Pilot error in too steep a descent, landed short of runway.

2) Somebody put rock in front of runway.
 
Great pic..

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Gogl said:
I find that surprising, not that I don't believe it, I just would have thought at least one accident would have been caused by one issue. So there's never been a failure in the landing gear because the landing gear was faulty? Or am I being dense?

Unless it's going to be something like

Accident Report:

1) Pilot error in too steep a descent, landed short of runway.

2) Somebody put rock in front of runway.
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No I think he means that there is usually a sequence of errors that leads to the final event, all of them attributable.
 
Gogl said:
I find that surprising, not that I don't believe it, I just would have thought at least one accident would have been caused by one issue. So there's never been a failure in the landing gear because the landing gear was faulty? Or am I being dense?

Unless it's going to be something like

Accident Report:

1) Pilot error in too steep a descent, landed short of runway.

2) Somebody put rock in front of runway.
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Taking a very high level and global view you could make such a statement but what is of more interest to investigators is causal factors which may have contributed to the final event.

For example, if it turns out that pilot error resulted in an unstable approach it would need to be established why. Insufficient training, Pilot Flying unfit for duty due to impairment, fatigue or medical issues. Did poor CRM contribute? Did poor procedures contribute to the unstable approach? Did the Korean culture of unwillingness to lose face or challenge a Superior that has been a significant factor in many previous accidents and incidents, contribute?

So, hypothetically speaking, you could say pilot error was the cause but it is a very simplistic view to take because there could have been many significant factors which caused that cause if you see what I mean.

I could go on for hours. I wrote a paper on the subject for my AAII Certification :p
 
Lazder said:
and I am flying on 777 pretty soonish.... frickin hell
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From what I know Lazder, prior to this there's only been one 777 written off during a flight and there wasn't a single fatality. The cause was found to be fuel freezing in the pipes and clogging the filters. This fault was resolved by rolls royce who changed the filter design.

Considering it's one of the most widely used aircraft in the world...you're in pretty safe hands buddy.

p.s. I have a fear of flying and even i'd hop on one of them!
 
Why say Triple 7 instead of 777? :p

It's certainly looking more and more like pilot error - Wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now :eek:

Was there no fatalities? I thought I read there were 2 or 3?
 
NinjaSeb said:
You would think airports would have a camera filming the runways 24/7 to aid investigations in incidents such as this.
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I agree, a DVR setup running 24/7 seems crazy not too, given how much money they spend on these investigations

As for the pilot, if it is pilot error, i wonder if he'll be up on manslaughter charges?
 
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