Benefits to be a human right?

Rofflay

Rofflay

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No doubt the fascists and tory's will be disgusted to learn that people will not be born into slavery.I do not know about the fact that people are given cash in hand as a human right but i think strongly that housing and food tokens should be put in law in the UK.Especially when people are using land that God gave to all of us to grow crops or mine resources and make a profit.


I dont think its fair that when you are born, perhaps as an orphan due to a car accident that you have no access to food or shelter by right.We are at a point now in history where nearly every single bit of land able to provide food or shelter is owned by some rich tory or farmer.


The rivers are owned and require a fishing permit,forests and animals are protected by right.Where do they expect someone who wants to become a farmer himself or wants an alternative self supporting lifestyle to go? There is literally no choice but to join the dole queue or work for some rich person who will drip feed some of his "wealth creation".Even then it takes a lifetime to earn enough to buy some land to farm and a home.And then you only get a few years to enjoy it before you croak it and the state takes all your money in carehome fee's.


Thoughts?
 
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Firstly lol at 'fascists and tories'. Secondly, yes it is a stupid idea as 1 - It's not needed, we already have a huge benefits system without it necessarily being a 'human right', 2 - It would just be another excuse for those fat, lazy, cretinous abusers of the system to not work.
 
I wouldnt oppose this, provided the right to own and enjoy property is amended to remove the exemption for taxes.

Then my normal negative income tax sits fine in line with all the rights.
 
Well, that's the two extremes organised then. Anyone want to make any sane points? Like: not everyone on the dole is a bludger? That most people on benefits are either retired, or in work? Or the why commonly-held land would never work?
 
Well no one has to be directly taxed to pay for benefits they just need to pay tax for roads and healthcare so i dont see godinman's problem if people do not want to work in ASDA or whatever.Yes we have a huge benefit system but it is sending people who are sick or dont deserve it out to work in poundland for £70 a week for god sake.


How much is the UK going to make from say fracking? And where will the profits go from it considering that every human in the UK should have a share in profits generated by the land? They are going to sell those rights to some USA fracking company who will make billions while they sit and crush benefits down to a level where people have to eat ASDA £1 horsemeat burgers.

I know im going to be called a Hippie but its only fair that everyone has a right to enjoy life and have access to food and water and a place to sleep.Otherwise when people are born why not ship them off from the assembly line into the workhouse? That is not a million miles off how our current society actually works.


Its just become a lot more liberal since the days of cotton plantations and workhouses as people dont use whips anymore they just use pens and sanctions.If they had a proper system there would be no need for a slavery charter which is also talked about in todays newspaper.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5012519/Mays-slavery-war.html
 
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What gets my goat up is as you say all the land is owned by someone, Farmer buys land off a previous farmer who bought it off god knows who until we reach a point where someone claimed the land for **** all, leaving anyone wanting to opt out of the system and go it alone virtually impossible, then the scum who have taken what really doesn't belong to them place demands, rules and crap wages on the rest and expects us to be grateful.

Would love to go find a bit of run down waste ground, build a shelter and grow my own food and tell the rest of the world to go and do one, but as soon as you settle on that run down crappy bit of land some **** will be along claiming it's theirs then use the authorities to kick you off.
 
Yea but the majority of people do not see it that way mate and think its fine to call people scroungers and such.I think that in the human mind some people are just not wired to be employee's.Some of us yearn for freedom and to do our own thing in life.I am wowed by some of the youtube videos of how to grow your own food etc.They user a simple greenhouse with fish and plants and recycle the waste so the fish and plants compliment one another in a circle of life.


Originally the land would have been snapped up by someone who settled it for nothing just like when the americans settled the wild west.All you needed was a sign in the ground to claim your plot of land.Eventually that person handed it down to his children who might of sold it into private hands.Eventually you end up with nothing left for anyone else.And the way the current system works is lobsided towards anyone with money.So the more money you have the more land you can buy and lease out.Then with those profits you can go and buy even more land.


Where does it stop? One day will the ancestors of bill gates or carlos slim own every bit of land in America and Mexico and the whole population will become slaves begging for use of the land for some food etc.Well no it might not become that extreme but they will use that money somehow and im guessing land is the best investment you can make as everyone needs it and everyone wants it.
 
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Meridian said:
Well, that's the two extremes organised then. Anyone want to make any sane points? Like: not everyone on the dole is a bludger? That most people on benefits are either retired, or in work? Or the why commonly-held land would never work?
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I never said everyone on the dole was a bludger, just that those who were would be given another excuse, which is true.
 
fat, lazy, cretinous abusers of the system to not work
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Godinman you do realise that the majority of benefits go to people in work right? Aka the working poor.Hell there are people sleeping rough on the NR 25 bus just so they can get some kip before work.If that is what they are avoiding by being a scrounger then can you blame them? not everyone is happy to be a wage slave.


One mans employment is another mans slavery.Especially when there is no alternative like i suggested.Its either work,dole or starvation.


A human right for scrounging immigrants.
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HELL NO! UK citizens only and by citizens i mean 25+ years.All these people who come in to abuse the system are actually partly to blame as well.Instead of demanding the same rights i posted about in thier own countrys they are simply jumping ship to good old blighty.I think its wrong immigrants can get benefits.It just leaves less money for British people and the economy in general.
 
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Rofflay said:
Well no one has to be directly taxed to pay for benefits they just need to pay tax for roads and healthcare so i dont see godinman's problem if people do not want to work in ASDA or whatever.Yes we have a huge benefit system but it is sending people who are sick or dont deserve it out to work in poundland for £70 a week for god sake.
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What?
Who doesn't deserve to work?
If capable, why should I fund anyone to the tune of anything if they 'deserve to work'?

Anyway, integration of it as a human right is ridiculous.
It would suggest that one is entitled to money, for doing nothing as a human right.

That isn't how the benefits system is supposed to work, it is there for those who have worked and then retired, or those who are unable to work.
Breeding 3 or 4 kids isn't an automatic entitlement not to work, even if the bulk of the bill goes elsewhere.
Breeding shouldn't entitle you to anything bar child benefit, which if you're rich, it doesn't even entitle you to anymore.
Have as many kids as you like, if you can afford to. If you can't then don't, that what most people do.
 
Rofflay said:
HELL NO! UK citizens only and by citizens i mean 25+ years.All these people who come in to abuse the system are actually partly to blame as well.Instead of demanding the same rights i posted about in thier own countrys they are simply jumping ship to good old blighty.I think its wrong immigrants can get benefits.It just leaves less money for British people and the economy in general.
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Okay... all of what you have said is against currently legislation and human rights laws, so you want to bring in a human right, that contravenes those which exist.
You really haven't thought this through have you?

EU citizen (born or hold EU passport) are entitled to benefits in UK if they fulfil the criteria a UK citizen does. They are entitled to it at whatever age is appropriate (usually 18+)
So your law is a defecation across the entire system. It fundamentally doesn't make sense, it can't be applied, it couldn't be introduced.
It was be a waste of money legislating it, as it would have to be revoked afterwards.

It simply can't work, it a terrible idea, with no thinking behind it.
 
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People that are "better" than working in poundland shouldn't have to work there, they should be subsidised by others instead?
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Last post for a bit, i cant be replying to every single person who cannot read before posting or has no brain.Its the goverment's fault your taxes are going to these people whom you think could be better than poundland.Some poor folk are obviously born into having a low IQ through no fault of thier own.Its genetics and why should they be the people forced into poundland?



Anyways your taxes dont need to go to anyone.You can keep your taxes and the goverment can simply give a land grant so people do not need to rely on taxes.They can grow thier own food or rent out the land.The only taxes you need to pay is the road tax and the tax to pay for our armed forces to bomb poor people in Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan.After all how many times do people moan about the millions that went into propping up Islamists in Libya? It shows that the UK care more about cutting benefits and killing thier own poor through genocide by starvation and benefit cuts.


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Hikari Kisugi said:
Okay... all of what you have said is against currently legislation and human rights laws, so you want to bring in a human right, that contravenes those which exist.
You really haven't thought this through have you?

EU citizen (born or hold EU passport) are entitled to benefits in UK if they fulfil the criteria a UK citizen does. They are entitled to it at whatever age is appropriate (usually 18+)
So your law is a defecation across the entire system. It fundamentally doesn't make sense, it can't be applied, it couldn't be introduced.
It was be a waste of money legislating it, as it would have to be revoked afterwards.

It simply can't work, it a terrible idea, with no thinking behind it.
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Not if we leave the blood sucking UK killing abomination called the EU it wont.Then we can write our own laws that protect our own people and give everyone a univeral right to food and water and housing.The EU simply drains money from the UK and gives it to romanians and people who have no right to be here.


It would suggest that one is entitled to money, for doing nothing as a human right.
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You are another person who cannot read obviously as you just posted complete nonsense without even the brain power to put some thought into it.No one should be entitled to money as money needs to be created through work ( unless you are the EU/IMF and can print it for free lol ) its the fact that you need money to buy food and water and housing.That is what people are or should be entitled too.But as things stand all these resources are owned by rich corporations and farmers so the goverment has no choice but to give out money to buy food from the farmers.If they changed the system to how i said it should be no one would need to be given anything but land.



Its that hard to grasp is it?
 
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Rofflay said:
Last post for a bit, i cant be replying to every single person who cannot read before posting or has no brain.Its the goverment's fault your taxes are going to these people whom you think could be better than poundland.Some poor folk are obviously born into having a low IQ through no fault of thier own.Its genetics and why should they be the people forced into poundland?
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LOLOLOLOL
Right so stupid people don't have the right to work, they have to be hidden away and not allowed to make a contribution to society because of their genetics.
Sorry chum, I just realised you're the right wing fascist in here.

Northern Ireland really is a special place.
I love living here, as it reminds me of what mankind is capable of producing through backwards inbred evolution.
It'll be great to see the massive advances over the next generation or two, now out insular society is expanding and marrying across the world and across communities, that small insular society of backward genes should throw up a few lovely randomisations and if we're lucky produce a few highly intelligent world leading specimens.


People work because they want to, they want to contribute, they want to earn, and low IQ people still want these things.
 
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Not if we leave the blood sucking UK killing abomination called the EU it wont.Then we can write our own laws than protect our own people and give everyone a univeral right to food and water and housing.The EU simply drains money from the UK and gives it to romanians and people who have no right to be here.
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Human rights apply to everyone, not just a sub group of people. given the fundamental misunderstanding of the basics, it is unlikely your position actually contains anything of value.
 
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