Labour accused of NHS deaths coverup.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...denial-machine-over-hospital-death-rates.html

Professor Sir Brian Jarman, of Imperial College London, worked on a government review which will this week show that 14 hospital trusts have been responsible for up to 13,000 "excess deaths" since 2005.

He accused Labour ministers of presiding over a "denial machine" and ignoring his data on high death rates for a decade.

Sir Brian said: "We felt we were banging against a locked door. They were denying our data even though there was no real reason. At the time there was pressure from Downing Street and pressure from ministers.

"The government was in the position of providing the health service and monitoring it, it was a conflict of interest. Ministers have an electoral interest in getting out good news."

Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, said he was "fed up" with the accusations. Mr Burnham was in charge of the NHS in England from June 2009 until May 2010.
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So people are dying and the powers that be are arguing about it and any change to the NHS is fiercely resisted.

What a truly sad situation this is.
 
TBH it's not about changing the NHS. The powers that be want to sell it off to private firms that they have vested interests in.

By bringing out stories like these they're trying to undermine public faith in the NHS & the Labour party (whom are opposed to destroying the NHS) to make the public more compliant when it's announced that the NHS is going private.
 
All these politicians sticking their noses in and not one of them seems to have remember what the original goal of the NHS was. By trying to be all things to all people at a cut package price it is always destined to fail.

The politicians could just grow a pair and actually start shaping what it should be but they won't as they won't profit from that in their own pockets or with the voters.
 
Not good, but what worries me more is that situations like we saw at Mid-Staffs are becoming more commonplace.
 
They have always been more commonplace - just hidden by people who had an interest in ensuring they didn't hit the public eye. Whilst whistleblowers are treated like **** then what do you expect.
 
Resident said:
TBH it's not about changing the NHS. The powers that be want to sell it off to private firms that they have vested interests in.

By bringing out stories like these they're trying to undermine public faith in the NHS & the Labour party (whom are opposed to destroying the NHS) to make the public more compliant when it's announced that the NHS is going private.
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+1.

The NHS is no longer seen as a public service for all. It's earmarked to become cash-cow for the private sector. Billions of pounds get spent each year and with an aging population it's a growing market ripe for the picking. You can see it in almost every hospital in the country. Cleaning, potering, linen, food, sterile services, parking are all now contracted out. Next will be scanning, X-rays etc, then simple procedures, day cases. Thing is once those services are external and have disappeared "in-house" the providers will hike the prices and pocket profit.
 
OldCoals said:
All of which happened before any privatisation.
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Which does not make the private sector any better does it. Judging by the state of the private sector and its outdated practices in this country then I would expect more problems but with even greater pressure on people to not blow the whistle.
 
Xordium said:
Which does not make the private sector any better does it. Judging by the state of the private sector and its outdated practices in this country then I would expect more problems but with even greater pressure on people to not blow the whistle.
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I agree but we now have the worst of all situations, something has to change but politicisation of the issues is endangering lives.
 
OldCoals said:
All of which happened before any privatisation.
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They're laying the ground work for privatisation though, just like they did with the Royal Mail - socialising the debts, introduce massive price rises and service cuts then privatise the profits to the private sector.
 
OldCoals said:
I agree but we now have the worst of all situations, something has to change but politicisation of the issues is endangering lives.
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To be fair to Burnham, he did call for cross-party collaboration on the NHS while he was Health Minister - which is exactly what we need. Unfortunately Lansley on the orders of Cameron and Osborne took the opportunity to stab Burnham in the back.
 
Xordium said:
All these politicians sticking their noses in and not one of them seems to have remember what the original goal of the NHS was. By trying to be all things to all people at a cut package price it is always destined to fail.

The politicians could just grow a pair and actually start shaping what it should be but they won't as they won't profit from that in their own pockets or with the voters.
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Precisely, you can't do everything for everyone within a set budget, you can't even attempt to do so. I know NICE produce spending guidelines and guidelines over what is acceptable cost, but this is per individual treatment and isn't taken as a contextual percentage of the overall budget.

NICE guidelines would be very different if 10 treatments to extend a cancer patients life by 3-6 months was a choice of do it, or fix 500 broken legs a year.
 
Which is precisely the issue the likes of Dolph misses when comparing the systems here to those on the continent. Which to be fair to him he is hardly going to know unless he has direct experience of tertiary care systems. We are not comparing like with like.

The NHS does need a great shake up but it can not be done in isolation. It needs to be done inline with social care, education and immigration along with a fundamental look at what do we want the NHS to do.

There also needs to be strict assess and punitive measures for misuse. Flying your cousin over from India then taking them to the GP and pretending they are your own kid and then not owning up until ethically treatment can't be stopped needs to be penalised.

I would argue the NHS biggest failure is in the amount it has to treat because it fails so badly at health promotion. But without the government hitting hard on unhealthy living then there is only so much you can do. Schools can only do so much and tbh with the way they implement healthy eating advice they actually do more harm than good these days by preaching the virtues of a healthy adult lifestyle to children who have wholly different nutritional requirements whilst raising the rate of anorexia. That's the kind of situation that we don't need repeating.
 
All this privitisation we have nothing left. Everything is owned by foreign companys who just feed off of our demise.
Mp's rather than working together, just point the fingers at each other. They did this, they did that. Its pathetic and childish. They need to stop ***** fighting and work together to sort the mess out over the years, they've all caused.

Non can run a country properly they've all tried, and privatising what little we have left isnt the ultimate answer.

Great britains that great even the scots want out.

Wonder if we get our pay deductions reduced if the NHS went private.
 
This is just a game of smear the NHS then we can use it as an excuse to privatise it to the companies who we have interests in and will make a lot do Tory politicians and fat cats rich
 
Would we have a say if they privatised the NHS? We should really. We should have had a say when Gordan Brown sold all our gold to bail out an american bank
 
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