Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Rotty said:
The thing is I can see edited posts, so you agree that they wouldn't all walk into any side, also some selective pairings there :p ;)
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Haha I was putting the list together but kept getting sidetracked. Again:

David De Gea = Joe Hart (given time I think De Gea will become Spanish no 1)
Rio Ferdinand = Kompany (Ferdinand on his day, but Kompany is probably more consistent with more potential due to age)
Nemanja Vidic > Lescott/Nastasic
Rafael da Silva < Zabaleta
Michael Carrick = Toure (Carrick more consistent during 12/13, albeit playing a slightly different role)
Shinji Kagawa < Silva
Wayne Rooney > Dzeko/Negredo
Robin van Persie > Aguero
Javier Hernandez > Jovetic
 
I think United's squad is pretty solid, apart from the midfield areas, as already stated. There are some average players floating around, but they seem to perform well in the team. I hope Rooney leaves and Kagawa gets a starting place, as he showed glimpses of how good he can be last year, which most people seemed to ignore.

The Fabregas transfer is a strange one though, and I'm not really sure what to think. When I first saw the headline I genuinely laughed out loud, thinking it was just some ridiculous rumour. There must be something going on behind the scenes that no one knows about. I mean, Barcelona have repeatedly said he isn't for sale. If that really were the case, would United keep banging their heads against the wall?
 
Robi said:
I don't understand the 'lack of a brilliant squad'? Out of United's starting 11, the following would walk into any team in England:

David De Gea - no better then shezney IMO, decent but not world class
Rio Ferdinand - Possibly but wasnt a lot of united fans complaining how poor he has been last season?
Nemanja Vidic - yes he can walk into most teams. world class CB
Rafael da Silva - possibly. Decent player but not world class
Michael Carrick - I disagree, i dont even think he could walk into arsenal and city's team but a decent player
Shinji Kagawa - definetly no. he did not play much games and made much of an impact, i'd say he is no better then carzola, good but not world class yet
Wayne Rooney - yes
Robin van Persie - yes
Javier Hernandez -possibly

Admittedly Vidic isn't his former self and Kagawa is still a prospect, but the others are some of the best in the country. You could also put up an argument for Evra on his day (which doesn't happen much).

I'm sorry but the above walks all over Spurs, hence why we won the title and you didn't even finish in the top 4.

Add Fabregas, Garay and Baines = title winning squad.
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I responded in bold. IMO you have about 3-4 players who could walk into any team
 
Robbo said:
This may be the case. But they might weigh his value against having £40m odd to buy some defenders - their main weakness for a while now.



Catalan doesn't really matter and "Gunner" definitely doesn't matter. Arsenal aren't what they were and haven't been our rival for a long time now. That wouldn't stop him.



I don't really think it'll happen either but it's still a possibility at the moment.



We're arguably the biggest club in the world, we won the Premier League at a canter last season, it was almost effortless. Moyes is no SAF, but he's not a clueless idiot either. We'll be quite fine. We do need some midfield reinforcement though. Barcelona's new coach hardly has a massive list of honours next to his name does he?

Now Barcelona have Neymar filling either of the wide positions that Cesc would occupy if Xavi was playing, he might be a bit uncertain. It's entirely possible. Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets are the ideal midfield 3, yes Xavi is knocking on a bit but he plays extremely well next to Iniesta. He can be a rotated midfielder or the central midfield superstar of Man Utd, with his friend RvP.

I can see how this transfer could happen, but I'd still be very surprised.

It's very amusing to note that the Arsenal fans are more bothered than the Barcelona fans about it though. :p

I fully believe we're being encouraged to bid, and aren't just throwing bids at a completely defiant club and player, praying that they'll all of a sudden accept what is essentially a slightly higher bid. Something has been said/done behind the scenes that is driving this.

We will see, hopefully with the new coach in place this will be resolved sooner rather than later, so we can move on to other targets if required.



This would be very sensible but player swaps are so rare.
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being a fan/loyal to a club does matter to some players. not all are money grabbing players. Fabregas took a pay cut to go to barcelona and it was the ONLY club he would ever go to or stay at arsenal.

he did not necesarily go there to play more games as u and i and the whole world knew he would be competing with xavi and iniesta.

Naymar has a lot to prove in the la liga. it is not a given that he will be picked ahead of fabregas and iniesta/xavi are not getting any younger as well.

Yes united are a pinnacle team but you dont have fergie and you have changed a lot of your staff behind the scenes too. Even you must admit that it is less likely that you will win the title next year due to a number of reasons below:

1. new manager and staff which could take time to develope and gel
2. Current squad IMO needs improving
3 Chelsea and City improving there squad and Morinho is back who is possibly the best manager in the EPL at present.

Why should he choose to go to united over staying at barcelona where they have a better team on paper. play a better style of football that he enjoys? Plays in his home town infront of his family and friends? Good weather compared to up north in manchester(weather can play a tiny role too lol) etc.

the list goes on tbh. i cant come up with a single reason why fabregas would go to united
 
Cesc rarely plays either wide position, its more often you'll find Iniesta play the left attacking slot with Xavi/Busquets more withdrawn in midfield and Fabregas up ahead of them with Messi doing whatever he fancies that day :p

The main thing with Neymar is, unlike Villa who got an injury and potentially wasn't at the very top of his game after he joined nor did he cost that much to buy, Neymar cost a buttload and will expect to start. I'm only guessing that they will more often play Neymar wide left, Messi upfront, sometimes pushing both to the right one slot so Neymar can play as an out and out striker. They'll see what works best, in general though I see it pushing Inieta into a more consistent central midfield starter. But I'm not so sure it will be Cesc who gets less games, more Busquets/Song with either or both getting games as a central defender.

Its impossible to say how they'll line up with a new manager and a new star player, but that is precisely why Cesc won't leave this year, because its impossible to say till you get half way through a season and the new manager has played multiple line ups several times over and then moves towards one long term starting line up. If Cesc ends up a bit part player this season, he might move next season, you don't move before that has happened otherwise every top player would move every year for fear that might be the year they get used less.

Will Barca think over a fee, sure, what players can you name who don't have a fee where eventually its worth selling, like everything else in life. You might love your house and the area, but if its worth 500k and someone eventually offers 1mil because they are desperate for it.... it makes more sense to sell. Frankly I think Barca would want an obscene fee north of 50mil to make that worth their while as Xavi is maybe 2 years from when he might consider slowing down or might not be good enough anymore. There has already been a noticeable decline in the past 2 years. Who else can they go out and buy for up to 50mil who could be a long term central midfield replacement for Xavi.... no one. For 50mil you could buy 3-4 youngsters who might turn into great midfielders in the next 2-3 years though.

Lastly, Carrick = Toure........... hahahahahaha...... hahahahahahaha.....hahahahahahaha.
 
Thinks back to last summer when most here were convinced City would get stronger (in the sense of the current squad playing better together) and Chelsea would be right up there as well with all the additions they acquired........... look what happened

Yes Fergie has gone, but the spirit within the Utd squad is still immensely strong and there are enough seasoned campaigners (as well as some decent younger /youth prospects) to still push for solid top 3 position at worst.

Moyes' arrival is balanced out by the relative inexperience of City's new manager , and at least Utd have an inner belief (which has been evidient for years) in getting that crucial win, or runs of wins.

Maureen isn't exactly coming back completely covered in glory either - more like with his tail tucked between his legs.

City have improved their squad, and possibly even their 1st XI (latter yet to be proved), and Im sure despite what Maureen is saying the same will be true of Chelsea, but neither of the above have the squad spirit of Utd which has proven important year after year.

You can waffle on about tactics and formations etc etc, but at the end of the day its the XI on the pitch that count on any one day.

Even with one decent CM signing Utd would be immensely stronger than they were last season. (and I said "decent" on purpose, rather than "stellar" signings that would have been Thiago or Cesc)
 
Pique puts it exactly how it is with the fab situation. I think we can say its over.

This was never going to happen but I'm sure some utd fans will still live in dreamland for the rest of the summer thinking they still have a chance.

Next on the list will be an insulting offer to spurs for bale. I think they will offer £50m

Not that I think he is worth more but spurs aren't interested in selling, this one though I do think the player might want to move
 
bloodline76 said:
This was never going to happen but I'm sure some utd fans will still live in dreamland for the rest of the summer thinking they still have a chance.
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Whether you like it (or want to admit it) or not, Utd have had encouragement from somewhere to bid (so publicly)

Whether that 3rd party is more on Fabregas' side or Barca's is another matter entirely - and it may have just been to get a bit of love for the player from his present club.

Utd would not be doing it without something happening behind the scenes that the press /public are not aware of.
 
bloodline76 said:
Pique puts it exactly how it is with the fab situation. I think we can say its over.

This was never going to happen but I'm sure some utd fans will still live in dreamland for the rest of the summer thinking they still have a chance.

Next on the list will be an insulting offer to spurs for bale. I think they will offer £50m

Not that I think he is worth more but spurs aren't interested in selling, this one though I do think the player might want to move
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I will think it's over when Barca or Fabregas himself decide to release a proper statement saying there's no way he'll be sold, as well as rejecting our latest and largest offer.

Team mates and club staff say all sorts of rubbish, all the time. If we've given up on Cesc then I expect Moyes will say so as well.

£50m for Bale as an opening offer wouldn't be anything close to insulting either.
 
Robbo said:
Team mates and club staff say all sorts of rubbish
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You would think Arsenal fans of all people would know this. (Wait till Pique shoves a United shirt over his head)

I want him to sign so I can taste the sweet, sweet tears of Arsenal fans who seem to be more concerned about who United are signing than their own team.
 
Robi said:
I don't understand the 'lack of a brilliant squad'? Out of United's starting 11, the following would walk into any team in England:

David De Gea
Rio Ferdinand
Nemanja Vidic
Rafael da Silva
Michael Carrick
Shinji Kagawa
Wayne Rooney
Robin van Persie
Javier Hernandez

Admittedly Vidic isn't his former self and Kagawa is still a prospect, but the others are some of the best in the country. You could also put up an argument for Evra on his day (which doesn't happen much).

I'm sorry but the above walks all over Spurs, hence why we won the title and you didn't even finish in the top 4.

Add Fabregas, Garay and Baines = title winning squad.
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out of that lot only rvp and Rooney would get into the first team of city or chelsea.

Kagawa wouldn't displace anyone let alone players like Mata.

Red tinted shades off please.
 
The Running Man said:
out of that lot only rvp and Rooney would get into the first team of city or chelsea.

Kagawa wouldn't displace anyone let alone players like Mata.

Red tinted shades off please.
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RVP & Vidic I would say

Robi said:
I'm sorry but the above walks all over Spurs, hence why we won the title and you didn't even finish in the top 4.
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Yo won the title due to one previlant reason, and he isn't at your club anymore. I think a lot of Man U fans are seriously underestimating how much of a force Fergie was, strange.
 
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