Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani
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No doubt people will chortle and requote with "good" in bold but I think they would add depth to Spurs forward line.
BAE had a ****** return from injury and like every other player he makes mistakes. However I noticed him covering other defenders a lot more than vica versa, unlike walker who Dawson seemed to be perpetually covering.
I really like BAE's calmness too. He never flaps and is pretty steady and I think this has a positive effect on the rest of the team. When BAE has his swagger on, the rest of the team stops being overawed and does the same thing.
I also think that BAE is a better left back than Vertonghen. Vertonghen is great centrally but was always pout of position like walker as a left back because he never got back after charging forward.
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I really like BAE's calmness too. He never flaps and is pretty steady and I think this has a positive effect on the rest of the team. When BAE has his swagger on, the rest of the team stops being overawed and does the same thing.
I also think that BAE is a better left back than Vertonghen. Vertonghen is great centrally but was always pout of position like walker as a left back because he never got back after charging forward.
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Essentially he's a little bit like Glen Johnson, he's an ultra attacking full back who simply goes further forward more often and as such looks like he gets a lot of attacking work done but like Glen Johnson, leaves huge holes at the back, is constantly out of position and isn't that good.
He went to Benfica, ended up on loan because he was basically a pretty weak ass winger/attacker, they shoved him in defence where he had that "fullback who scores or assists a few, must be brilliant" moment, while people ignored he was crap in defence. He somehow moved for 30mil, he had an entire 12 starts in the league first season 16 starts in the league last season... 3 assists that first season 1 goal 1 assist the second, 5 yellows that first season, 2 yellows 1 red this season in a fairly small number of games(and being VERy lucky not to get more both seasons). Not a goal or assist in any Champs league game in two seasons(he played quite consistently in the champs league compared to the league). Now that would be fine if he was a defensive fullback who didn't get forward much in a low scoring team who couldn't convert chances, but he's an ultra attacking fullback who can't defend, with at least two brilliant finishers to provide to and he did squat in two years.
He only had 23 starts and 2 goals for Benfica when Mourinho decided to waste 30mil on. Like Marcelo and Johnson, every now and then they'll have a game where they bomb up the wing, score a goal, get an assist and don't screw up too badly defensively. Most games they bomb up the wing, lose the ball, try a stupid shot, dive a bit, run back after losing the ball and do something worthy of a red card.
He's fast and strong, which like Marcelo occassionally leads to a lucky game but no footballing brain at all and bad tempers. The very few goals/assists he has have been against Luxemberg, Israel, Azabarubbish for Portugal, Levante, Ossasuna, Espanyol and Valencia(in a 5-0 drubbing by the team).
Most of Spain thinks Mourinho bought him because he was Portuguese and not much else(like several other flops he's bought for seemingly that reason alone), the club, fans, pundits, no one thinks he's good enough to stay. But he's had a big money move and big wages... a smaller club would be mad to take him on.
Honestly while Real love Varane, for such a high fee if you were to lose Bale anyway I'd leverage that into nabbing Varane, not least because if he wants out in a few years he'll go for a crapload. Varane looks like the real deal. If they want Bale THAT badly you leverage a player off them they DON'T want to lose, not help them offload their biggest waste of space
You may be able to nab Benzema, who would be worthwhile for you as well.... the problem being he's a more recent buy where big wages went with big transfers so Benzema could easily be on a stupidly big wage.
He went to Benfica, ended up on loan because he was basically a pretty weak ass winger/attacker, they shoved him in defence where he had that "fullback who scores or assists a few, must be brilliant" moment, while people ignored he was crap in defence. He somehow moved for 30mil, he had an entire 12 starts in the league first season 16 starts in the league last season... 3 assists that first season 1 goal 1 assist the second, 5 yellows that first season, 2 yellows 1 red this season in a fairly small number of games(and being VERy lucky not to get more both seasons). Not a goal or assist in any Champs league game in two seasons(he played quite consistently in the champs league compared to the league). Now that would be fine if he was a defensive fullback who didn't get forward much in a low scoring team who couldn't convert chances, but he's an ultra attacking fullback who can't defend, with at least two brilliant finishers to provide to and he did squat in two years.
He only had 23 starts and 2 goals for Benfica when Mourinho decided to waste 30mil on. Like Marcelo and Johnson, every now and then they'll have a game where they bomb up the wing, score a goal, get an assist and don't screw up too badly defensively. Most games they bomb up the wing, lose the ball, try a stupid shot, dive a bit, run back after losing the ball and do something worthy of a red card.
He's fast and strong, which like Marcelo occassionally leads to a lucky game but no footballing brain at all and bad tempers. The very few goals/assists he has have been against Luxemberg, Israel, Azabarubbish for Portugal, Levante, Ossasuna, Espanyol and Valencia(in a 5-0 drubbing by the team).
Most of Spain thinks Mourinho bought him because he was Portuguese and not much else(like several other flops he's bought for seemingly that reason alone), the club, fans, pundits, no one thinks he's good enough to stay. But he's had a big money move and big wages... a smaller club would be mad to take him on.
Honestly while Real love Varane, for such a high fee if you were to lose Bale anyway I'd leverage that into nabbing Varane, not least because if he wants out in a few years he'll go for a crapload. Varane looks like the real deal. If they want Bale THAT badly you leverage a player off them they DON'T want to lose, not help them offload their biggest waste of space
You may be able to nab Benzema, who would be worthwhile for you as well.... the problem being he's a more recent buy where big wages went with big transfers so Benzema could easily be on a stupidly big wage.
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I would cry if we signed either of them. They are downgrades on defoe and adebayor shirley?
appreciated input. be interesting to see what happens.
bent for £<5m would be worth a punt. i don't know why we haven''t gone in for remy. is he still being accused of rape or was that dropped?
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You're wrong, AGAIN.
Extremely rare I agree with anything DM says, but I actually kinda agree on Coentrao. He's not as bad as he makes him out to be, but I'd take BAE over him if given the option.
I certainly agree it's unlikely but it's not impossible. Liverpool have a good first eleven with Suarez the 'superstar' up top, gives them that cutting edge.
Arsenal have a good team but I don't feel Suarez is the answer to their problems to be honest, I think that he will go in and paper over the cracks in the team / squad.
Liverpool, if they're smart enough to reinvest the money in the team and squad could build something to really challenge for the top four spots, if they keep Suarez and still invest a bit more money then it will be a bigger boost for getting a top four spot.
Manchester United. Manchester City. Arsenal. Tottenham. Chelsea. Liverpool. All challenging for four spots
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The usual over reacting when someone calls Glen Johnson crap, in all honesty with Johnson I was mostly pointing out the once in a while great offensive game deluding people into think he is actually great going forwards... but isn't good enough or consistent enough to be worth the defensive risk. The diving/red cards is Marcelo and Coentrao(and... Real in general to a degree), not Johnson... but considering no one on here has ever accused Johnson of actually getting back to cover, nor is he a walking red card, it should be fairly obvious which particular players are being talked about even if I wasn't 100% specific about that part.
There is a point past which most players won't go, okay a sliding tackle, cynical yellow because there aren't a lot of other options is one thing, where Coentrao jumps for a header but is watching Messi and stamps into his hip mid air for no reason at all.... Coentrao is a pretty vicious ****, Marcelo the same, and both like a two footed reckless tackle. I wouldn't buy either, they certainly aren't worth north of 10mil, and considering the big money transfers that took them to Real, I wouldn't want to shoulder the wages they'd be wanting to leave Real.
If you're paying 20+mil for a fullback they need to be brilliant defensively or brilliant offensively, not AT BEST completely average in both departments and for me neither of them are even average in defence. I think Marcelo is quite a bit better than Coentrao offensively, but worse defensively and more likely to get a red/multiple yellows than Coentrao, I'd take Marcelo of the two but MANY others before either of them. Marcelo had one decent scoring/assisting year with some goals against decent teams but it really is a case of 3-4 top games a year, the rest pretty rubbish.
I don't think Spurs have the wages for instance to be spending 15mil on say Baines, but thats the kind of player they'd want to improve on BAE, I don't think he's close to their weakest link and as above, if you're selling your best player, you want to leverage the best player you can off Real, not the player they MOST want to get rid of... there is a reason they want rid of him. I think they'd be better off trying to get someone like Shaw in, Arsenal should have tried to get him as well.
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I don't think Johnson is dirty at all from what I've seen of him, I think he can be a bit clumsy but he's no more or less dirty that other players, I mean, he doesn't stand out as a dirty player like say Catter**** at Sunderland or as DM is talking about Marcelo or Coentrao. He's still poor defensively though!
I didn't think he was talking about Johnson with that sentence anyway
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Tottenham don't need to spend however many million on a worse replacement for their current full back.
I didn't think he was talking about Johnson with that sentence anyway
.Tottenham don't need to spend however many million on a worse replacement for their current full back.
Pretty much the same as you lot then??
...Suarez wants CL football, something we can give him...its something you wont be able to do for some time yet
Hilarious seeing these Liverpool fans get all worked up because there is a chance that their beloved Suarez may decide to come to Arsenal
.Anyhow looks like Napoli got Higuain, from what i have been reading from a few places...it seems like Higuain was definitely coming to us but Real, the shady ****'s moved the goalposts and we ended up losing interest. Pretty sure this has happened to us before with a team ****ing us over at the last minute. Iirc i think it was Kluivert back in '98 who wanted to come to us but AC screwed us over by upping the transfer fee and he ended up going to Barca.
Anyhow wish him luck at Napoli, was really excited to hear that Higuain was most probably going to come to us but now he isnt
. Ahh found the article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ansfer-saga-will-end-like-kluivert-for-wenger
I think a lot of fans of any club would get 'worked up' (to use your own words) over their star player moving, let alone to a league rival.
I mean, what do you want them to do?
Arsenal fans seemed quite gutted when Van Persie left for Manchester United last season.
I mean, what do you want them to do?
Arsenal fans seemed quite gutted when Van Persie left for Manchester United last season.
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I was happy for him, and Fabregas, and I'd be happy if Bendtner gets a real chance at Arsenal or if he leaves, I doubt he'd get a real chance here so prefer if he leaves. Would I have liked it more if they all stayed and we were actually winning things, sure, but RVP/Fabregas are two of my favourite players in football, I don't have delusions about careers, the drive for success or loyalty. Would I prefer RVP to have gone elsewhere to win titles, sure, but I can fully understand spending 6-7 years trying to win the EPL and wanting to achieve that rather than go to another league and leave the EPL his unfinished goal, I'd hate that in his position so how can I hate him for feeling the same?
As for Suarez, lets put it this way if Suarez was an Arsenal player currently and Liverpool were about to buy him for 40mil + I'd be laughing my head off at their stupid club wasting money on a cretinous thug........
There is no sense in football these days, I mean flat out Soldado is a better striker, if we want an out and out striker, he's cheaper, less of a ****, won't miss 1/4 of every season. If we want a winger or playmaker, there are better players than Suarez around as well. The fact is, I'd take a worse player with absolutely no problem if he both costs less and isn't Suarez.
Suarez is about as appealing a player as Barton or Diouf, he's better sure, he's not THAT good and he might be an even bigger **** than the other two put together(on the field, off the field Barton wins hands down).
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Soldado going to spurs it seems. What is it with EPL and La Liga? They do know they can buy from other leagues?
Hilarious seeing these Liverpool fans get all worked up because there is a chance that their beloved Suarez may decide to come to Arsenal
Worked up? From what I've seen 99% of us on here don't mind him going to you lot if we get the right price. Hell you'll only have him for a season tops, until RM come calling anyway
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Doubt we'll sign Rooney or that United would even sell him to us in the first place, we've lost out on Higuain and I very much doubt we'll meet Liverpool's rumoured asking price of £50,000,000 for Suarez. The only one I'm bothered about is Higuain, mainly as it seemed as though we were so close to signing him, though from what I've read it does seem like Madrid messed us around quite a lot with the price, unless the media simply got the price wrong three or four times.
I'm of the opinion that we should sign a left winger and then rotate the striking position between Giroud and Podolski, but we need to get rid of Gervinho first and that's proving to be easier said than done. Not sure what this Osvaldo chap is like but if he can play across the frontline and he is good enough for Roma I'd imagine he is good enough for us.
I'm of the opinion that we should sign a left winger and then rotate the striking position between Giroud and Podolski, but we need to get rid of Gervinho first and that's proving to be easier said than done. Not sure what this Osvaldo chap is like but if he can play across the frontline and he is good enough for Roma I'd imagine he is good enough for us.
You don't have to, 40 million is more than enough if Suarez actually puts in an official transfer request. No club will bench or put a player of his worth in the reserves, everyone always wants it to happen but it never will.
Suarez is destructive enough without having a player in the squad that will have handed in a transfer request to go.
On reflection, I'm not sure how I feel about the price for Suarez to go to another PL Club.
He can score goals. He is definitely good enough to be the difference between winning and losing a match. But if we can get more than £40 Million for him I think we could easily attract good players to replace him.
The problem will be finding another striker that is comparable to impact and goal scoring ability that doesn't get an inflated price tag just because we are turning up with big cash in our pockets.
Is there any feeling at all as to who Liverpool might go for instead? I saw someone mentioning Honda a few pages back, but didn't know if this was based on fact or fictional desire
He can score goals. He is definitely good enough to be the difference between winning and losing a match. But if we can get more than £40 Million for him I think we could easily attract good players to replace him.
The problem will be finding another striker that is comparable to impact and goal scoring ability that doesn't get an inflated price tag just because we are turning up with big cash in our pockets.
Is there any feeling at all as to who Liverpool might go for instead? I saw someone mentioning Honda a few pages back, but didn't know if this was based on fact or fictional desire
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