Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

[Bucket]

I can't remember what happened with Phil Jones, from what I recall Arsenal bid something like 10mil, maybe 6 months earlier but didn't activate the release clause and gave up. Did Utd get it to the penny without the clause being talked about in the media till afterwards? I can't remember what happened in the end there either, there were some angry words said, did Utd end up throwing them a couple mil extra or something?

It was reported at the time that Arsenal had met the clause as well as United, and that they were also offering higher wages but that he chose United.

Liverpool were supposedly interested also.

We didn't throw in a couple mil extra, it was reported at around £16.5million.

 

[BaZ87]

It was reported at the time that Arsenal had met the clause as well as United, and that they were also offering higher wages but that he chose United.

Liverpool were supposedly interested also.

We didn't throw in a couple mil extra, it was reported at around £16.5million.

IINM, it was widely reported at the time that you upped your bid to include a few £m in add-ons on top of the £16m odd.

 

[robfosters]

It was reported at the time that Arsenal had met the clause as well as United, and that they were also offering higher wages but that he chose United.

Liverpool were supposedly interested also.

We didn't throw in a couple mil extra, it was reported at around £16.5million.

Thank god! I think he's pony. Even if he was our player, I think I would still want to slap that face.

 

[Mark1989]

i concur. rodgers jumped on the hillsbrough bandwagon (not trying to sound crass but it's the best way i could put it) and the ''history of the club''. that's what it is, history. i can't see liverpool being a top 4 team again in an incredibly long time. take suarez and gerrard out of the equation and top 6 will be a struggle.

Cm lately your post have been good but that is just utter tripe

 

[Bucket]

IINM, it was widely reported at the time that you upped your bid to include a few £m in add-ons on top of the £16m odd.

It was based on appearances and if we won the title whilst he played over half the games and that's been missed out on twice - not sure if it has an 'end date' as such.

 

[Robbo]

Martino (new coach Barcelona): "Man United want Cesc? If the club rejected two offers, I will reject it a third time. Cesc will be here."

This puts a bit of a dampener on things.

 

[Bucket]

Martino (new coach Barcelona): "Man United want Cesc? If the club rejected two offers, I will reject it a third time. Cesc will be here."

This puts a bit of a dampener on things.

FC Barcelona vice-president Josep Maria Bartomeu on Cesc Fabregas' future: "It doesn't matter what any offer is - we're not selling him. We're counting on him. He's not for sale.

"If there was higher offer would we accept it? No. He's a great player. It doesn't bother us that Manchester United want him. We're proud that a club like them want one of our players.

 

[drunkenmaster]

IINM, it was widely reported at the time that you upped your bid to include a few £m in add-ons on top of the £16m odd.

It was based on appearances and if we won the title whilst he played over half the games and that's been missed out on twice - not sure if it has an 'end date' as such.

I thought it was something along those lines, ultimately you paid more than the clause, after first offering the clause and there being a stink about how they knew what the clause was. Ultimately its not like he was a 30mil rated defender with a 16mil release clause, so any court case if they took it that way, beyond punishment(which wouldn't help Blackburn) was only going to get them an extra couple mil but cost loads to go through with.

I can't remember if Arsenal bid again for him, I just know we bid pretty low the previous transfer window, I can't remember the story precisely. It might have actually been something like we offered 6-8mil, they wanted 10mil at that point, then 6 months or a year later Jones had his first real season and looked promising, more interest and the price went up. Does sound like Arsenal, find a player you want, haggle over a couple mil, end up trying to buy him for double the original amount 6 months later... still lose out

 

[Yas786]

Martino (new coach Barcelona): "Man United want Cesc? If the club rejected two offers, I will reject it a third time. Cesc will be here."

This puts a bit of a dampener on things.

LOL oh dear, its as i thought Barca wont sell him to Utd...hes still an important player for them.

Now will Moyes back off or will he continue to keep chasing him??.

 

[Newbie007]

LOL oh dear, its as i thought Barca wont sell him to Utd...hes still an important player for them.

Now will Moyes back off or will he continue to keep chasing him??.

Still carry on with the chase I expect, far to early to announce Fellani as their big summer signing I expect

 

[drunkenmaster]

When Boro brought action re Zeige's move it was against us, not the player/agent.

Since when do clubs bid xxx amount plus a pound? Never, you've clearly been informed by his agent of the clause (whatever it is).



Or as said in the article, Suarez/his agent have interpreted it as being similar to a spanish clause.

Again, as said, if I had read in 50 papers over a month that he had a release clause, and my 30mil bid was rejected.... would I really go bid 45mil when I think there is a chance there is a 40mil release clause? No it ISN'T certain his agent told us, its also possible he did.

The point was which you missed somehow is the question of the situation around it. Again if a club bids against an UNPUBLICISED release clause and gets it bang on, questions are raised, when a club bids against a HEAVILY PUBLICISED release clause, you can't possibly know whats going on and who has leaked it.

I don't know what happened with Liege, or Blackburn thats why I asked. Did Liverpool go and bid bang on the money for a player the press weren't covering widely or talking about his release clause? Also exactly what did Liverpool get done for, talking without permission to a player and his agent, or for something to do with release clauses?

It seems to me that a club could get done for talking with a players representation without permission(though a reality, not allowed) but surely the only person guilty of giving out information I presume they are legally not allowed to... would be the player and his agent?

On the article, it says they MAY have done that, and Liverpool MAY have a different clause, but the fairly simple thing is as I asked, what player would ask for a clause to speak to other clubs about a move that isn't on? What worth is that, why would you negotiate to add a clause(and usually take something away elsewhere) that has zero value to the player? The only thing a player would ask for is a release clause and the fairly logical assumption is that they were led to believe that is what the contract had in it.

 

[Yas786]

Still carry on with the chase I expect, far to early to announce Fellani as their big summer signing I expect

LOL so flogging a dead horse like Arsenal are doing with Suarez...well at least we have something in common with Utd

I have a feeling it will be either Baines or Fellaini as Utds big signing this summer, meanwhile Arsenals biggest signing still remains Yaya Sanogo

 

[Trusty]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23463992

Pretty much as assumed..

 

[Gilly]

Don't know why they didn't say that two weeks ago.

 

[Gooner14]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=306277.msg11853994#msg11853994

Interesting. Shows how rumours are generally total rubbish!

 

[BaZ87]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=306277.msg11853994#msg11853994

Interesting. Shows how rumours are generally total rubbish!

lol

It happens all the time. A journo mentions a name on twitter and within an hour it's the talk of twitter and the day after it's in the papers as fact.

 

[Newbie007]

Again, as said, if I had read in 50 papers over a month that he had a release clause, and my 30mil bid was rejected.... would I really go bid 45mil when I think there is a chance there is a 40mil release clause? No it ISN'T certain his agent told us, its also possible he did.

The point was which you missed somehow is the question of the situation around it. Again if a club bids against an UNPUBLICISED release clause and gets it bang on, questions are raised, when a club bids against a HEAVILY PUBLICISED release clause, you can't possibly know whats going on and who has leaked it.

I don't know what happened with Liege, or Blackburn thats why I asked. Did Liverpool go and bid bang on the money for a player the press weren't covering widely or talking about his release clause? Also exactly what did Liverpool get done for, talking without permission to a player and his agent, or for something to do with release clauses?

It seems to me that a club could get done for talking with a players representation without permission(though a reality, not allowed) but surely the only person guilty of giving out information I presume they are legally not allowed to... would be the player and his agent?

On the article, it says they MAY have done that, and Liverpool MAY have a different clause, but the fairly simple thing is as I asked, what player would ask for a clause to speak to other clubs about a move that isn't on? What worth is that, why would you negotiate to add a clause(and usually take something away elsewhere) that has zero value to the player? The only thing a player would ask for is a release clause and the fairly logical assumption is that they were led to believe that is what the contract had in it.

Well the rumor was a 40 million pound clause of some sort was in effect yes? if so, why would you bid 1 pound more? Surely a bid of 40 million would have been enough to activate it, yet apparently it wasn't it took a bid in excess of 40. Something which you've been informed of.

If what you say is true, why are we so confident of our stance?

On 14 March 2002, Liverpool were fined £20,000 by The Football Association for making an illegal approach for Ziege, while the player himself was fined £10,000

 

[robfosters]

Woah! did'nt know that before I put my bet on.

Fabregas' clause is not just a first option, it's an actualy €40m release clause that only applies to Arsenal. If Cesc wanted a move back, Barca couldn't stop him.

 

[Burned_Alive]

When Boro brought action re Zeige's move it was against us, not the player/agent.

Since when do clubs bid xxx amount plus a pound? Never, you've clearly been informed by his agent of the clause (whatever it is).

I guess any action would be taken against Arsenal and his agent, not him.

Presume it depends how its handled by the FA, Ziege was fined as well when Liverpool were fined.

 

[Yas786]

I guess Arsenal fans can now breathe a huge sigh of relief seeing as Fabregas isnt going to Utd anytime soon. Was a scary prospect that another ex Arsenal player going to Utd, thankfully Barca finally thought enough is enough and told Utd to go do one as they wont be selling him anytime soon...took them long enough and i dont think Fab would go to Utd as it is...maybe if Fergie was there he would but not with Moyes.