Battlefield 4 Running DirectX 11.1 Could Give Radeon HD 7000 an Edge

Final8y · 27 Jul 2013 at 09:52

Ian Evey said:
Well he did have a 7950 and swapped it for a 680, so he might have good reason to post what he did.

Then he should state it as personally and not generalise because generally it seems NV has the worse drivers at the moment.

Rroff · 27 Jul 2013 at 11:19

spoffle said:
It's not. AMD and nVidia both have driver issues, however the notion that AMD has significantly more is a myth, in actuality nVidia typically has more driver issues as well as more damaging/serious driver issues when issues do crop up.

On three separate occasions, nVidia have released a driver that has physically damaged and or killed their graphics cards. Two of those times, it coincided with nVidia releasing new cards, which makes you wonder.

So no, that's not just my opinion.

Never mind that factually what you said is a load of rubbish.

320.18 drivers themselves were not killing cards, its a cocktail of apps along with the driver that was doing it.

rolypolyman · 27 Jul 2013 at 11:38

Here we go again. :rolleyes:

ICDP · 27 Jul 2013 at 11:46

Rroff said:
Never mind that factually what you said is a load of rubbish.

320.18 drivers themselves were not killing cards, its a cocktail of apps along with the driver that was doing it.

You accuse someone of posting rubbish and then post some spurious info yourself. If a driver is introduced to a perfectly functional PC that instantly "develops" serious issues, then you can rest assured it is the driver alone causing the problem. I suppose the people who had serious problems with 320.18 should be thankful to Nvidia for showing them their "apps" were faulty. Strange that the apps and hardware were all fine before 320.18 was thrown in to the mix.

At least have the integrity to acknowledge that Nvidia 320.18 drivers sucked. To even attempt to lay the blame on the user or their previously perfectly functional PC and apps is taking the Nvidia defending too far IMHO.

While AMD are not blame free for releasing drivers that cause serious problems, for example the grey screen of death or GSOD problem. At least they didn't release GPU killing drivers that had to be withdrawn ASAP. I always find it funny when people claim Nvidia drivers "just work" or are far superior to AMDs "buggy POS driver". Both companies are capable of releasing utterly turgid driver updates, or leaving bugs unfixed for months. Yet to read what some claim you would think Nvidia can do no wrong.

A few years ago I had 2 GTX260s simply die when I upgraded to the infamous 196.75 drivers. So it isn't a one off that Nvidia drivers caused serious problems.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/03/05/nvidia_19675_drivers_kill_your_gpu#.UfOimG2J1I0

bru · 27 Jul 2013 at 12:43

Sad thing is that any performance difference between direct x 11 and direct x 11.1 will probably be less than the margin of error for benching on one system and then the another anyway.

Posting up this link again for any who didn't read it first time round.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/11/21/nvidia-doesnt-fully-support-directx-111-with-kepler-gpus2c-bute280a6.aspx

also here is the list of differences between different direct x levels

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff476876(v=vs.85).aspx

VIPER258 · 27 Jul 2013 at 13:28

rolypolyman said:
Here we go again.

+1

craptakular · 27 Jul 2013 at 13:41

AMD does have terrible drivers. Every AMD card I have ever owned has been complete junk, except my 5870. I will never buy AMD again. I want to enjoy games and be immersed within the game I am playing, getting massive texture issues and white speckles doesn't cut it for me so I bought a GTX680 on Thursday and am super pleased with it.

Just like my Mac Mini and iMac, it simply just works, completely trouble free and I am enjoying gaming again.

ashmanuk67 · 27 Jul 2013 at 13:45

bru said:
Sad thing is that any performance difference between direct x 11 and direct x 11.1 will probably be less than the margin of error for benching on one system and then the another anyway.

Posting up this link again for any who didn't read it first time round.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/11/21/nvidia-doesnt-fully-support-directx-111-with-kepler-gpus2c-bute280a6.aspx

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I had a read through that and it was very interesting, I am sure once the game is out and everyone is testing it they will not be worlds apart.

I get fed up with developers maxing out details and affects which at times is hard to spot the difference but slaughters your GPU, for what??? though this is regarding first person shooters which is more about running around at pace.

alex_123_fra · 27 Jul 2013 at 13:46

craptakular said:
AMD does have terrible drivers. Every AMD card I have ever owned has been complete junk, except my 5870. I will never buy AMD again. I want to enjoy games and be immersed within the game I am playing, getting massive texture issues and white speckles doesn't cut it for me so I bought a GTX680 on Thursday and am super pleased with it.

Just like my Mac Mini and iMac, it simply just works, completely trouble free and I am enjoying gaming again.

Slightly unfair. I think AMD are doing a lot better with drivers but agree I never feel as confident installing new drivers in my AMD GPU system as I do with Nvidia.

shankly1985 · 27 Jul 2013 at 14:12

craptakular said:
This will be balanced out by dire AMD drivers.

I see a post from a user who dont have a clue about drivers from Both Nvidia and AMD "This GEN"

Because Amd driver have been anything from Superb.

shankly1985 · 27 Jul 2013 at 14:17

craptakular said:
AMD does have terrible drivers. Every AMD card I have ever owned has been complete junk, except my 5870. I will never buy AMD again. I want to enjoy games and be immersed within the game I am playing, getting massive texture issues and white speckles doesn't cut it for me so I bought a GTX680 on Thursday and am super pleased with it.

Just like my Mac Mini and iMac, it simply just works, completely trouble free and I am enjoying gaming again.

So going from a 5870 to a 680 and your superb pleased with it? So I would like to think so lol
You have missed two Gens 6000 and 7000 series, do you really think all theses drivers you was installing was to boost your 5870?

How can you even have a say on driver, when you been out the loop hole?

Rroff · 27 Jul 2013 at 14:57

ICDP said:
You accuse someone of posting rubbish and then post some spurious info yourself. If a driver is introduced to a perfectly functional PC that instantly "develops" serious issues, then you can rest assured it is the driver alone causing the problem. I suppose the people who had serious problems with 320.18 should be thankful to Nvidia for showing them their "apps" were faulty. Strange that the apps and hardware were all fine before 320.18 was thrown in to the mix.

At least have the integrity to acknowledge that Nvidia 320.18 drivers sucked. To even attempt to lay the blame on the user or their previously perfectly functional PC and apps is taking the Nvidia defending too far IMHO.

While AMD are not blame free for releasing drivers that cause serious problems, for example the grey screen of death or GSOD problem. At least they didn't release GPU killing drivers that had to be withdrawn ASAP. I always find it funny when people claim Nvidia drivers "just work" or are far superior to AMDs "buggy POS driver". Both companies are capable of releasing utterly turgid driver updates, or leaving bugs unfixed for months. Yet to read what some claim you would think Nvidia can do no wrong.

A few years ago I had 2 GTX260s simply die when I upgraded to the infamous 196.75 drivers. So it isn't a one off that Nvidia drivers caused serious problems.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/03/05/nvidia_19675_drivers_kill_your_gpu#.UfOimG2J1I0

I've posted multiple times that 320 drivers are junk my point was that unlike 196.75 where it was an nVidia bug that was killing cards the problem with 320.18 was (as best as anyone can tell) a conflict between evga precision (which does low level stuff) and some other software (mostly malware). Its not like before when nVidia released a faulty driver that was causing cards to die.

EDIT: For clarity - I'm not saying 320.18 doesn't have serious problems, I'm saying that the issue with that driver and cards dying isn't a driver bug intentional or otherwise (atleast its not been identified as one so far) - the circumstances that seemed to be killing cards with it was due to a combination of software that accessed the card in non-standard ways (the stuff that comes with a disclaimer about how this might damage your GPU) like EVGA Precision, MSI Afterburner, etc. along with software like the bitcoin mining malware, that does heavy compute processing. Those drivers in combination with software that uses standard functionality should not result in a dead GPU (in theory).

craptakular · 27 Jul 2013 at 15:00

shankly1985 said:
So going from a 5870 to a 680 and your superb pleased with it? So I would like to think so lol
You have missed two Gens 6000 and 7000 series, do you really think all theses drivers you was installing was to boost your 5870?

How can you even have a say on driver, when you been out the loop hole?

You need to read my other posts, I have/had a 7950.

RetrogamerX · 27 Jul 2013 at 15:05

I'll wait until next year before I even think about going to windows 8. BF4 will run just fine in W7.

shankly1985 · 27 Jul 2013 at 15:13

craptakular said:
You need to read my other posts, I have/had a 7950.

Ok but you didn't post that in this thread did you lol

Anyway all the drivers I have had have worked great not single issue.

Maybe you had a damaged card? You mention Texture issue that sounds a lot like damaged Vram to me.

craptakular · 27 Jul 2013 at 15:23

shankly1985 said:
Ok but you didn't post that in this thread did you lol Anyway all the drivers I have had have worked great not single issue.

Maybe you had a damaged card? You mention Texture issue that sounds a lot like damaged Vram to me.

Look at post #61, I didn't mention it but others did.

I hate ATI with a passion. I would rather pay Nvidia double for the same performance, just to ensure I have trouble free gaming.

I have been shafted by ATi for the last time.

Calin Banc · 27 Jul 2013 at 15:43

That goes both ways for both teams.

oldestgregg · 27 Jul 2013 at 15:43

craptakular said:
AMD does have terrible drivers. Every AMD card I have ever owned has been complete junk, except my 5870. I will never buy AMD again. I want to enjoy games and be immersed within the game I am playing, getting massive texture issues and white speckles doesn't cut it for me so I bought a GTX680 on Thursday and am super pleased with it.

Just like my Mac Mini and iMac, it simply just works, completely trouble free and I am enjoying gaming again.

Sorry but for you personally, AMD have been rubbish. My 2 4850s,5850s and 7970s have been fine. It was the drivers for my 580 SLI stup that were a pain for me but that dosnt mean Nvidia have bad drivers either. Nvidia DO seem to be having problems as of late but both sides have had crappy drivers now o does that not mean no-one is now in a position to throw stones and name call? It baffles me why people get so wound up over over a bit of software that comes with a GPU brand they don't even own!

Orangey · 27 Jul 2013 at 15:53

Artificial speed boost to force people into downgrading to a failing pointless tablet OS on desktop.

spoffle · 27 Jul 2013 at 16:31

craptakular said:
Look at post #61, I didn't mention it but others did.

I hate ATI with a passion. I would rather pay Nvidia double for the same performance, just to ensure I have trouble free gaming.

I have been shafted by ATi for the last time.

ATi doesn't exist...

What about ask the people who have the same experience with Nvidia drivers? Do you pretend they don't exist?