Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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The transfer window isn't closed yet so there's still time to sign some players, and that is something we absolutely need to do.

I'm concerned that we aren't prepared to pay what people are worth. Yes, the market is hugely inflated these days because of the oil rich clubs but we're not poor, we can afford the same fees on the right players, just not the wrong ones. For arguments sake, Fabregas is exactly the kind of player we should be getting the big money out for, £50m+ if needby. That's if he's open to joining of course, if not then it has been a rather dumb waste of time.

I think, and at least hope that, the board will be very keen to secure at least one and hopefully two big names, to help back Moyes. He will be up against it this season and possibly next, we need to put our money to good use.

It's vitally important that, if at all possible, we just do whatever it takes to get the Fabregas deal done. If it fails Moyes, and Ed Woodward (who is also new) will have put themselves in a very awkward and weak position with the fans. With this in mind I don't believe that Cesc was 100% unobtainable, as that would have been made clear to them from the start. He isn't a player you offer £26m and then £30m for on the off chance you'll get him - that's insanity.

I believe that, for the moment, our young, and arguably 'promising' players are squad players and nothing more. If we're thinking of Welbeck, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling as first 11 starters then that isn't good news. Our young players like Zaha and Lingard look great but again, a long way to go before they are going to be reliable first 11 players.

It's not as if failing to get Fabregas leaves us with Fellaini, as lots of idiots keep suggesting. There are plenty of quality midfielders out there who would improve us notably, just not quite on the level of Fabregas.

I think there's a small chance we could go for Bale, but if Spurs won't sell him for under £70/80m then I can't imagine us paying that.

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It's also important to remember it looks like Rooney is leaving, which means it frees up more cash but also increases the importance of a top player or two joining.
 
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Trusty said:
Yeah of course, i wouldn't expect you to be a glory hunter, hope not anyway :p

It's all about the football, not the stage that surrounds it.
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Which again is why some of us have not been happy for a few years. We haven't played good football consistently for a good while. Look at Bayern last year. Played good football and they still want to consolidate and improve. We have been happy to scrape the EPL for a few years and bow out of Europe with a whimper usually.

I don't mind if we don't win much for a few years but I don't want to do a Liverpool and fall from the fight at the top of the table because we haven't improved whilst others have. At the moment we will not win anything of note with this squad and it won't be for want of bedding in time, it will be because the team is not good enough.
 
There are many other possible targets as Robbo suggests, but I genuinely think players are very wary of joining Man U atm.

Very young players are ok for transition periods, but the fact is, so much talking is being done about this transition period, that any top quality 26+ player is going to think to himself, "I may only have 3 or 4 years left at the top, I don't want to waste two of them playing in a transition period, only to get to the stage where younger players come in and steal the glory".

Players of that age and calibre want to join teams capable of winning trophies NOW, not in 2 years time. And not a team whose new manager has never won so much as a league cup.
 
robfosters said:
There are many other possible targets as Robbo suggests, but I genuinely think players are very wary of joining Man U atm.

Very young players are ok for transition periods, but the fact is, so much talking is being done about this transition period, that any top quality 26+ player is going to think to himself, "I may only have 3 or 4 years left at the top, I don't want to waste two of them playing in a transition period, only to get to the stage where younger players come in and steal the glory".

Players of that age and calibre want to join teams capable of winning trophies NOW, not in 2 years time. And not a team whose new manager has never won so much as a league cup.
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I don't know that we haven't got the ability to attract top players we just seem to pick the wrong ones. Thiago is available quite cheaply and we don't bother at all to try and sign him. He probably would have ended up at Bayern either way but there was weeks worth of sitting on our hands and as soon as Bayern said "yeah we want him" the deal was done a week later.

Instead we are wasting our time on Fabregas who we have little to no chance of getting. The biggest thing that would put me off United would be watching us play. Chelseas football excites me, Citys too. Arsenal, Tottenham and even Liverpool play better football that us most of the time. Football has moved on and we have been left behind style and tactics wise.

I don't think we are a bad team but I also don't think we have much of a style or gameplan half the time. Get it to Rvp and he will probably score if you give him enough service. The best teams play as a strong unit and the goals pop up from all areas. I have no issue with Moyes as our manager, I think he will do well, I just have no idea what our transfer policy has hoped to achieve in the past few years (RvP withstanding).
 
robfosters said:
There are many other possible targets as Robbo suggests, but I genuinely think players are very wary of joining Man U atm.

Very young players are ok for transition periods, but the fact is, so much talking is being done about this transition period, that any top quality 26+ player is going to think to himself, "I may only have 3 or 4 years left at the top, I don't want to waste two of them playing in a transition period, only to get to the stage where younger players come in and steal the glory".

Players of that age and calibre want to join teams capable of winning trophies NOW, not in 2 years time. And not a team whose new manager has never won so much as a league cup.
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With the right player or two, we are capable of winning trophies now. Yes I know Moyes isn't a decorated manager but he's not a hopeless idiot either (I hope not anyway :p).

The very squad we have now won the league by a formidable margin last season, yes it wasn't ideal and yes we cut it fine in a few games, but we have a mix of players who can find a way to win games more often than not.

I agree with what fez has said above though, we don't really have a 'style', it's always felt a bit dodgy, we just keep loading the bullets for RvP, or before that Rooney, and let them score. You can't continue to do that forever, so we need to sort out some kind of style to aim for and develop towards it.

I think we're still a very attractive club to play for (not more so than Barca/Real/Bayern, but everyone else), and we do have the money there, we just need to spend it. £70-100m on the right players and we suddenly look comfortable among Europe's elite once more.
 
I just don't have a good feeling about all this Robbo. As you say, Rooney looks likely to leave but even if he doesn't we are still short of quality. This is what happens when the team is neglected for a few years because its "good enough" to win the EPL.

The Rooney transfer needs sorting asap. If we leave it till the death then we will either not sign anyone or panic buy for over the odds. Who actually have we tried to sign this window. Only Fabregas and perhaps an enquiry into Bale so far (ignoring Baines bid). Bale will not happen and Fabregas has a tiny tiny chance of succeeding which we are scuppering with borderline insulting bids.

I don't know. Perhaps it will all be ok but I get the impression Moyes isn't looking to rock the boat too much after he has been so quick to praise the current players and Fergusons faith / praise for the players.
 
The biggest mistake we made with Moyes is that we underestimated the importance of pulling power. We are always going to struggle to sign the best because of location and a smaller budget than our direct rivals. A well known (abroad) and respected manager (Klopp for example) could have made a huge difference.
 
fez said:
I just don't have a good feeling about all this Robbo. As you say, Rooney looks likely to leave but even if he doesn't we are still short of quality. This is what happens when the team is neglected for a few years because its "good enough" to win the EPL.

The Rooney transfer needs sorting asap. If we leave it till the death then we will either not sign anyone or panic buy for over the odds. Who actually have we tried to sign this window. Only Fabregas and perhaps an enquiry into Bale so far (ignoring Baines bid). Bale will not happen and Fabregas has a tiny tiny chance of succeeding which we are scuppering with borderline insulting bids.

I don't know. Perhaps it will all be ok but I get the impression Moyes isn't looking to rock the boat too much after he has been so quick to praise the current players and Fergusons faith / praise for the players.
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It is a concerning time but common sense would dictate that we do need to buy players and they are out there, even if they aren't the absolute best (such as Fabregas), there are many who would be an improvement on what we have.

Assuming Rooney is playing well, he is a great player and we can't just lose him and get in some half-arsed replacement, not that I think we'll sign another striker, though I don't trust Welbeck at all, but obviously RvP and Hernandez can come up with the goods where required.

I think Real Madrid have been looking into signing Vidal, that could be something we look at if they don't want him (if they do, then we can try for Modric or something), he's a bit of a nasty git but I think he'd do nicely next to Carrick, with Kagawa ahead of them both, for example. He wouldn't be cheap though, but then who cares, Man City have just spent what, €80m odd on 3 players, none of which are considered to be all that great compared to your top of the line players (though they might do really well, we'll see).

As you say, we need to sort out what Rooney is doing, selling him to Chelsea for £20m and nothing more is stupid, because if he's fired up and playing well for them, he's a danger to us.

I still think our best option at the moment is to just throw £50m at Barcelona if required and give them something to think about. Cesc may still turn us down but I think we have had some indication he wants to join, as I've said before.

johnyccc said:
The biggest mistake we made with Moyes is that we underestimated the importance of pulling power. We are always going to struggle to sign the best because of location and a smaller budget than our direct rivals. A well known (abroad) and respected manager (Klopp for example) could have made a huge difference.
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I would have liked Klopp too.
 
Robbo said:
I still think our best option at the moment is to just throw £50m at Barcelona if required and give them something to think about. Cesc may still turn us down but I think we have had some indication he wants to join, as I've said before.
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I agree completely. Give them £50m and say take it or leave it and that is final. At the moment we are edging up our bids, waiting a week then getting knocked back. I can imagine Barca care too much if they just have to sit there and wait for an offer to come in then take a few days to say "no, bugger off".

If we don't get him soon we need to move on. Managers won't want to lose players right before the start of the season and we are getting close.

Robbo said:
I would have liked Klopp too.
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I think we all would because he has built a great team on a budget and they play great football. Plus I would have hoped we could have pillaged a few of their star players. I don't have a problem with Moyes but he is not helping himself at the moment.
 
Dear god Cascarino talking about Rooney and Chelsea on SSN now, saying that Utd should sell him to Chelsea:p.
 
cm1179 said:
because he's a far more realistic target than ronaldo, bale, fabregas or modric.
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Ah right so your doing your duty of keeping all the United fans feet on the ground by telling us who our realistic targets are?

Thanks for that, I think it's more of a diversion tactic myself though to stop us reminding you about Bale going to Madrid.
 
Thing is we've seen players like paulinho fernandinho and Oscar move to the UK for under 30 mill are we saying that utd just aren't looking at these players because we don't think they're good enough or what?
 
The Running Man said:
Thing is we've seen players like paulinho fernandinho and Oscar move to the UK for under 30 mill are we saying that utd just aren't looking at these players because we don't think they're good enough or what?
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We've been burned too many times by South Americans I think.

lucarocks92 said:
Veratti from P$G would be a good buy for United. He is basically the next Pirlo. For a 20 year old he has so much composure on the ball it's great to watch him play.
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I like Verratti, I just don't think he would move, he's on a packet I imagine and him and Pastore are the kings of PSG at the minute aren't they?
 
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