Windows 8 - 8.1 nicrosoft what were you thinking!

vapor matt · 29 Jul 2013 at 21:04

Well I didn't bother with win 8 as its rep proved it to be radical and annoying so I thought I would give win 8.1 a go! supposed to be an improvement over win 8 mmmmm

If bill gates wanted to hand Apple more market share this is the way to do it. What a fragmented OS, where's my dam start button? why cant I access my whole PC from 1 button like in the past. I hate tiles and metro. I thought windows 8.1 was Microsoft listening to its user's, no wonder apple will be celebrating with more market share.

anyone can jump on a mac from a PC and use it with in a few hours, start windows 8 and wow where is everything, aero? gone, horrible colours like a toy OS. play a track for the first time and find the stop button?

after 2 weeks it hasn't grown on me at all, infact I find myself looking for control over a microsoft OS which still feels fragmented and all over the place. anyone using win 8 or 8.1 will soon get fed up of it. Vista but worse! dam iam glad I never paid money for it.

if this is the best Microsoft can do its looks like over clocked hakintosh could be the way to go in the future when win 7 cant cut it any more.

rant over! I will not buy win 8.1 infact if it was free it would be 2nd choice!

Boring boring Microsoft, you must do better to maintain your market share or the desktop PC will die

gary996 · 29 Jul 2013 at 21:14

I didn't like Win 8 when I played around with the evaluation copy.
Stayed with 7 cause 8 brought nothing to the table. Was hoping 8.1 would be better and make me want to upgrade. From your rant it does not sound promising.

Paul11 · 29 Jul 2013 at 21:18

i also hated 8 when i tried it, felt far too removed from 7 and a silly move by MS to alienate people

lots of people say you get used to it and how great it is, but not for me, i'm sticking with 7 for now

vapor matt · 29 Jul 2013 at 21:31

windows 7 was so nice, all they had to do was tweak it a little, bring it upto date with modern hardware, leave the established desktop PC interface alone There is no need for a OS that is based on touch screen when 99% of the PC based machines in the world don't have touchscreens? lets do some photo editing, oh dam I have fingerprints all over the screen iam editing on!!!!! who at Microsoft thought that was a good idea!

learn from apple 2 OS types IOS tablets phones and OSX Imac all in one's and the new mac pro or older mac pro power user's machines

I bet steve jobs is laughing his arse off up there.

Paul11 · 29 Jul 2013 at 21:34

it was ok to have all that new stuff, but at least put in the option to go back to standard screen with start bar if you want to...

KIA · 29 Jul 2013 at 22:38

StartIsBack or Start8.

sanaxe1 · 29 Jul 2013 at 22:44

I hated it until i put start8 on and now i love it.

opethdisciple · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:07

Microsoft have poor sales figures across all categories, from the tablet to the desktop.

Customers have spoken with their cash. They are not spending it. I doubt Microsoft will stick with this philosophy with Win 9 if this carries on.

But then what else could they have done to innovate? Copy OS X features?

Glaucus · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:11

Why would they copy osx, it's a darn poor seller.
Desktop usage is drastically falling, nothing to do with win8, everything to do with other form factors, namely tablets.
MS was never going too conquer tablet market overnight, although they made plenty of mistakes on advertising, availability, hardware, price.

Win9 will be more of the same.
What MS is doing is fantastic and ahead of the curve, just like the ipad was ahead of the curve. If you think apple/google will not follow suit on a unified os system, then you frankly are crazy.
They need to learn, they need cheaper tablets, they need tablets at least as good as the top ipad/android, they need those tablets in many shops, not 8 Ms shops in USA. They need to release it to most countries from the get go, not 6months late. They need better advertising. They need to sort a few things out in wp8.

Rroff · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:20

Glaucus said:
What MS is doing is fantastic and ahead of the curve, just like the ipad was ahead of the curve. If you think apple/google will not follow suit on a unified os system, then you frankly are crazy.
They need to learn, they need cheaper tablets, they need tablets at least as good as the top ipad/android, they need those tablets in many shops, not 8 Ms shops in USA. They need to release it to most countries from the get go, not 6months late. They need better advertising. They need to sort a few things out in wp8.

Many OSes strangely enough started out much closer to the Windows 8 interface tiled, large icons and buttons, etc. etc. and in a somewhat ironic way more suited to a tablet/touchscreen than desktop use with most evolving over time to something similiar to what Windows 7 is as it is for the most part one of if not the most optimal setups for a desktop OS and always will be no matter how much OSes evolve to cover other devices.

In some ways Windows 8 isn't really ahead of the curve just come full cycle.

Glaucus · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:21

It's not full circle in the slightest, what an odd and wrong interpretation.

Wow boxes and tiles, you mean like win7 uses boxes and tiles.

So no, it's the first and very much ahead of the curve, which is exactly what MS had to do.
It's not good enough just trying to catch up, they have to catchup and be the next step ahead as well.

Rroff · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:24

Glaucus said:
It's not full circle in the slightest, what an odd and wrong interpretation.

Wow boxes and tiles, you mean like win7 uses boxes and tiles.
So no, it's the first and very much ahead of the curve, which is exactly what MS had to do.
It's not good enough just trying to catch up, they have to catchup and be the next step ahead as well.

You do have some experience of older OSes? those comments make it sound like Windows 95 was the first OS you started with.

Glaucus · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:25

Rroff said:
You do have some experience of older OSes? those comments make it sound like Windows 95 was the first OS you started with.

Jumping to conclusion as you have nothing to offer.
Predates 95 easily.

alias86 · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:27

yes 8 is a waste of time. only time to use it is if you need a copy of WHS and dont have it and win 8 is at hand.

i think we know where they wanted to go with it but apple does it better, well they police the software and hardware and the os so it will work well

Rroff · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:38

Glaucus said:
Jumping to conclusion as you have nothing to offer.
Predates 95 easily.

I was questioning it not jumping to conclusions.

My point is that the style of many early GUI based OSes had more in kind with Windows 8 than Windows 7, obviously far more primitively, and that most of them moved away from that style/approach as they were refined to work better as a desktop OS for a good reason.

Glaucus · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:40

Rroff said:
I was questioning it not jumping to conclusions.

My point is that the style of many early GUI based OSes had more in kind with Windows 8 than Windows 7, obviously far more primitively, and that most of them moved away from that style/approach as they were refined to work better as a desktop OS for a good reason.

What utter rubbish, seeing as win8 still has win7 and large boxes or squares is not like win8 tiles either.
It's hardly like aol is it. Wow boxes, cos taht makes everything in the os/UI.

And you were jumping too conclusions.

Funny ii didnt realise win8 had moved away from the work computer and ditched the desktop, pretty sure I use the desktop everyday.

unwashed potato! · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:43

i don't get it. if you like win7 why not stick with it. i don't see the point in going to the latest software with the only real day to day difference being metro, which you don't like, why not go win7? it's fine and works great, but instead you have to go mac. it's stupid.

also where's the fragmentation?

the suggestion from those who don't like win8 is that ms should have literally done nothing to win7, but they haven't, win7 is still around.

Rroff · 30 Jul 2013 at 00:17

Glaucus said:
And you were jumping too conclusions.

Re-read what I said.

theheyes · 30 Jul 2013 at 06:50

Rroff said:
My point is that the style of many early GUI based OSes had more in kind with Windows 8 than Windows 7, obviously far more primitively, and that most of them moved away from that style/approach as they were refined to work better as a desktop OS for a good reason.

I'm interested to know which early GUIs you're referring to? Any specific examples I can search for?

slinxy · 30 Jul 2013 at 07:25

the 'modern' for windows 8 sucks... but so does launchpad for os x and Unity for linux.

Its hard not to associate the os with its user interface as that's what users interact with. As an os itself from what I've seen, windows 8 is rock solid, hardly any compatibility with drivers and software and it does work.

But its just that user interface that 'us' experience users can't get used to, but less experience users tend to take to it like a fish to the water, but M$ thinks that they can change the way people operate their system since windows 95 overnight? and they placing this interface on there server os as well.. humm

Admittedly we have very few windows 8 machines at work at the moment, and the ones we do have are mainly for testing or 'special' users, but if anyone hands me a windows 8 machine and ask for work to be done on it, I normally log myself in and then talk them though how to do it, as I can't stand that start page and the jumping between new and old style.

I'm sure it will only get better once other software catches up to match the style in windows 8, I can remember when windows 95 first came out and people didn't like it then and kept dropping to command prompt to do stuff.

We see what happens, IF m$ decides to stick with it or drop it but its not going well for them.