Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling

matt_fsr · 31 Jul 2013 at 16:44

esoteric said:
Finished my first day of MWA at Fratton Stadium, sweeping and picking weeds and I'm told that is what everyone does the first week. Every Wednesday new people arrive and today there was 4 of us, wonder how many people arrive next week.

FoxEye said:
Can you just do a completely half-arsed job and get away with it? I think that's what I'd do if forced to labour for no pay Consider it like POW forced labour, and resist as much as possible

Maybe a bit of sabotage too

Must admit I was just thinking this myself... must take a very long time to sweep up without proper training!

XeNoN89 · 31 Jul 2013 at 16:49

CREATIVE!11 said:
Great work experience,

I'm sure that will help you get a job!

LOL JOKE JUST KIDDING WE WANT SLAVE LABOR.

That's the real problem here. If they were putting people into useful jobs where they might actually gain some worth while experience it wouldn't really be a problem, but they're not doing that. They did the same thing to my brother, he lost his job and within about 2 weeks they put him on one of these work things. They expected him to travel a ridiculous distance on something like 5 buses to go to a farm and shovel animal crap. How will this help him get a decent job? :mad:

spankingtexan · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:08

esoteric said:
Finished my first day of MWA at Fratton Stadium, sweeping and picking weeds and I'm told that is what everyone does the first week. Every Wednesday new people arrive and today there was 4 of us, wonder how many people arrive next week.

Don't worry man, this ******* Government will pay for what they are doing, it'll come back to em.

Slavery resurrected...

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/201...-workhouse-is-alive-and-well-in-tory-britain/

Sudden · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:18

XeNoN89 said:
That's the real problem here. If they were putting people into useful jobs where they might actually gain some worth while experience it wouldn't really be a problem, but they're not doing that. They did the same thing to my brother, he lost his job and within about 2 weeks they put him on one of these work things. They expected him to travel a ridiculous distance on something like 5 buses to go to a farm and shovel animal crap. How will this help him get a decent job?

So that he can show dedication to a job and willingness to work hard? Fair few companies put emphasis on that, enthusiasm etc. more than other qualities.

It's not just what you do - also your approach to it.

XeNoN89 · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:23

Sudden said:
So that he can show dedication to a job and willingness to work hard? Fair few companies put emphasis on that, enthusiasm etc. more than other qualities.

It's not just what you do - also your approach to it.

He had literally JUST lost his job which he had been at for a year or so. He didn't need to show any more dedication!

Sudden · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:27

XeNoN89 said:
He had literally JUST lost his job which he had been at for a year or so. He didn't need to show any more dedication!

So the issue is with how long it took for this to happen rather than the fact that it happened?

+ a spin that can be put on it is also - 'I was anxious to do something and not just sit around, so I did this.'.

spankingtexan · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:30

Surprising how many people working for a salary support slavery, I wonder how many of them will find themselves on the forced labour wagon when they are made redundant, funny though, because I'd still offer them my support. Oh, and god help you if you ever become sick or disabled, people cutting their own throats without realising it.

Sudden · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:41

spankingtexan said:
Surprising how many people working for a salary support slavery, I wonder how many of them will find themselves on the forced labour wagon when they are made redundant, funny though, because I'd still offer them my support. Oh, and god help you if you ever become sick or disabled, people cutting their own throats without realising it.

Perhaps i'm more biased given that I am not entitled to any of these benefits anyway. So if I were to lose my job, become sick etc., it would be a case of 'tough' anyway for me.

spankingtexan · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:50

Sudden said:
Perhaps i'm more biased given that I am not entitled to any of these benefits anyway. So if I were to lose my job, become sick etc., it would be a case of 'tough' anyway for me.

And very tough it would be for you too, but hey, we'll still be there fighting in your corner, and you would be entitled to those benefits if you were to lose your job or become ill.

Sudden · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:52

spankingtexan said:
And very tough it would be for you too, but hey, we'll still be there fighting in your corner.

Really? I thought you said earlier on that it made sense to you that I wasn't entitled to anything given that I was an immigrant? (which I don't necessarily disagree with).

spankingtexan · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:58

Sudden said:
Really? I thought you said earlier on that it made sense to you that I wasn't entitled to anything given that I was an immigrant? (which I don't necessarily disagree with).

Really, as long as you aint an illegal and found yourself out of work through no fault of your own. If you want to go into immigrants you in the wrong thread. Fight the benefit cuts, fight the sanctions, fight for your future because you will get old and need state support if not sooner. Stop being a lemming. United we stand and all that. The ruling class are your real enemies.

CREATIVE!11 · 31 Jul 2013 at 18:09

Sudden said:
So that he can show dedication to a job and willingness to work hard? Fair few companies put emphasis on that, enthusiasm etc. more than other qualities.

It's not just what you do - also your approach to it.

you really think any employer is going to go through the effort to contact said farmer?

Really...? for a minimum wage job? really really?

Sudden · 31 Jul 2013 at 20:31

spankingtexan said:
Really, as long as you aint an illegal and found yourself out of work through no fault of your own. If you want to go into immigrants you in the wrong thread. Fight the benefit cuts, fight the sanctions, fight for your future because you will get old and need state support if not sooner. Stop being a lemming. United we stand and all that. The ruling class are your real enemies.

Why would I fight the benefit cuts/sanctions? I'm not entitled to any. Nor am I entitled to any state support. What benefit is there for me to fight any of them? Like when uni fees went up to 3k a year. I paid 12k a year. Is there any reason for me to complain?

CREATIVE!11 said:
you really think any employer is going to go through the effort to contact said farmer?

Really...? for a minimum wage job? really really?

He doesn't need to contact him...the applicant can say that all this happened and you know, be telling the truth. Is an employer likely to hire someone who sat at home and did nothing, or someone who did at least something?

estebanrey · 31 Jul 2013 at 21:24

XeNoN89 said:
That's the real problem here. If they were putting people into useful jobs where they might actually gain some worth while experience it wouldn't really be a problem, but they're not doing that. They did the same thing to my brother, he lost his job and within about 2 weeks they put him on one of these work things. They expected him to travel a ridiculous distance on something like 5 buses to go to a farm and shovel animal crap. How will this help him get a decent job?

And who do you think a future employer is more likely to give a job to, the one that can say he travelled 5 buses a day to do an undesirable job for nothing, or the one that says "I ain't doing nuffink unless I get something immediately out of it"?

'Harry · 31 Jul 2013 at 21:48

Getting a job at the lower end is all about how likable you are. Also helps if you're a 'yes man's. Show any kind of intelligence and you're screwed.

FoxEye · 31 Jul 2013 at 22:08

estebanrey said:
And who do you think a future employer is more likely to give a job to, the one that can say he travelled 5 buses a day to do an undesirable job for nothing, or the one that says "I ain't doing nuffink unless I get something immediately out of it"?

I'm sorry, but taking 5 buses to get to a job which isn't paying you, identifies you as someone who won't stand up for themselves. Someone who doesn't mind being treated unfairly.

Hell, if you're prepared to work for nothing, why should anyone pay you?

Sudden · 31 Jul 2013 at 22:13

FoxEye said:
I'm sorry, but taking 5 buses to get to a job which isn't paying you, identifies you as someone who won't stand up for themselves. Someone who doesn't mind being treated unfairly.

Hell, if you're prepared to work for nothing, why should anyone pay you?

Because you're someone whose keen to work? As opposed to someone who'd sit around and do nothing? Which sounds more attractive to an employer?

Nitefly · 31 Jul 2013 at 22:16

I still think this entire scheme is complete bull-****. I thank my lucky stars I don't personally have to tolerate such crap from the government.

Rofflay · 31 Jul 2013 at 22:21

I agree with foxeye

Sounds like someone desperate more than willing.Thats what most employers are looking for young dumb willing to work for minimum wage lemmings.

That way its easier to reap in high profits and support the family while the rest of your workers commute via 5 buses and get paid minimum wage.And why the presteige on a boss also? You are not a boss or much if you just have a bunch of machines and no humans to operate.

The only reason a lot of people turn up is thier threatened with homeless and then rounded up each night and put in a shelter or cell.Great choice some people get to make in the free world aint it?

estebanrey · 31 Jul 2013 at 23:18

Rofflay said:
Sounds like someone desperate more than willing.Thats what most employers are looking for young dumb willing to work for minimum wage lemmings.

Then why not set up your own business, and employ all these highly entitled...I mean principled young people you feel are being so hard done by?

I suppose it's easier to just say "the world aint fair" and do nothing about but bitch and moan.

I challenge my bosses all the time if they do something I disagree with. I get away with it because I've worked hard to make myself unsackable (I know, no one is 'indispensable' yada yada) because I've proved I have skills that my other colleagues don't.

If you don't have unique skills or ideas, and are easily interchangeable then unfortunately you have to accept you have to make more sacrifices than others who don't.

Having a high opinion of yourself is all very well, but there's a difference between demanding respect and being down right delusional and thinking the world owes you a living.