Just a few rotten eggs?

Ingenious TROLL · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:10

Robinhood said:
I like what you did there...insult the women but at the same-time cover ur own back incase you are wrong

He's got internet skillz

Gackt · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:23

Ingenious TROLL said:
That's correct.

However sometimes the circumstances don't allow this; like I said above, we do not know if she consented to the male officers being present, and safety also takes priority as the chances are she was being quite volatile.

Also someone said above about being left naked in a cell... when a detainee is placed in a cell, they're clothes are removed as standard and they are provided 'safety clothes'. In the event of a strip search these would have been provided, however if she opted not to wear them that is her discretion. Also a force medical advisor would have undoubtedly assessed her.

There is only so much you can do with a drunk or person under the influence.

I'd be quite volatile if I was being abused by police officers. I'd fight, kick, shout, bite, whatever to get away from the situation.

It's a frankly disgusting incident, and those responsible need to be brought to justice - the article mentions that the procedures for that are being carried out.

"It's a difficult situation" that people bring up about them making 'mistakes'. This isn't one of them. They're not under gunfire, or mob violence, or whatever. They need to be held accountable and dealth with in a way that is appropriate for somebody in a position of authority abusing a vulnerable person.

XeNoN89 · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:26

Shock as hurfdurf posts another anti police thread

Woden · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:27

hurfdurf said:
they also filmed it and broadcast it into their office.

hurfdurf said:
The forced strip of a woman by 4 male officers and then an attempt to cover it up is more than a mistake. I have a lot of respect for a fair few officers, relatives and Burnsey on here for instance, but this isn't a mistake, this is corruption.

Now I am not a police officer, so obviously don't have training in corruption but ... I can think of better ways to cover up my wrongdoings than broadcast it while I am doing it infront of 4 other people. But that is just me. :rolleyes:

TL;DR of the thread

Herpderp blahblah police brutality blahbalh apologist, blahblah rape culture, blahblah Daily Mail.

UncleRuckus · 31 Jul 2013 at 17:37

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deuse · 31 Jul 2013 at 18:05

Von Smallhausen said:
You're kept in longer if you want to make a complaint ? Aside from breaching PACE, that's a new one on me.

Can you answer this for me please. The police said
"Officers believed she was on drugs and might have illegal substances hidden in her clothing, the IPCC said"

Now the rules say
"A search for drugs - Class A drugs only - may only be carried out by a registered medical practitioner or a registered nurse"

So was they wrong to strip search her?

andi · 31 Jul 2013 at 18:14

Don't know where you've got that from, but no, any constable can search for drugs. Only need a medical practitioner for an intimate search.

MrMoonX · 31 Jul 2013 at 18:36

In the prison service only two people of the same sex as the prisoner are allowed to strip search, at no point should the prisoner be naked, it's top half off, back on then repeat for bottom half, this is truly disgusting treatment by surprise surprise the met

You can strip search under restraint but that should be done with no more than three people of the same sex and where no one else can see including cctv

Woden · 31 Jul 2013 at 18:50

MrMoonX said:
In the prison service only two people of the same sex as the prisoner are allowed to strip search, at no point should the prisoner be naked, it's top half off, back on then repeat for bottom half, this is truly disgusting treatment by surprise surprise the met

You can strip search under restraint but that should be done with no more than three people of the same sex and where no one else can see including cctv

So your response to seeing things like this is that there is too many witnesses?

pitchfork · 31 Jul 2013 at 18:53

It's a judgement call, they clearly didn't have adequate female officers to deal with her, and in all honesty, would they rather the woman have drugs stashed on her which she later overdosed on in the cell?

On a busy night it may not have been practical to tie up officers supervising her until such time as a number of female officers could be procured.

You don't get tossed in a meat wagon and carted off for being a bit of a nuisance, she must have been doing some extremely odd things to have been taken in and strip searched and it wouldn't surprise me if she had knowingly taken drugs or had been spiked.

The article makes her out to be the victim of some sex crazed rapists, but really it's just the result of severe underfunding of a vital public service, with officers trying to do their job as best they can.

One · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:00

I bet she was super hot, the WPC is a lezzer and all the other coppers were there just to have a look see. If she was hot then that's adequate justification imo.

deuse · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:02

andi said:
Don't know where you've got that from, but no, any constable can search for drugs. Only need a medical practitioner for an intimate search.

This why I asked.
http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourri...e-station/searches-at-the-police-station.html

The bottom bit

d_brennen · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:04

pitchfork said:
The article makes her out to be the victim of some sex crazed rapists, but really it's just the result of severe underfunding of a vital public service, with officers trying to do their job as best they can.

Oh come on. The police are obviously comprised of power mad masochists who enjoy beating down and abusing the public :rolleyes:

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*may contain sarcasm

Woden · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:09

d_brennen said:
Oh come on. The police are obviously comprised of power mad masochists who enjoy beating down and abusing the public *

*may contain sarcasm

This is what happens in a rape culture.

andi · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:10

deuse said:
This why I asked.
http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourri...e-station/searches-at-the-police-station.html

The bottom bit

Yeah, that's for intimate searches, which can only be carried out with a warrant and by a medical practitioner, the female in the OP was not searched intimately.

Bobcat · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:11

The IPCC .....

Destination · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:17

tom_e said:
How long before someone gets branded a "Police brutality apologist"?

Are you sure you don't mean, 'Police sodomising rapist apologist'?

Destination · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:18

Woden said:
This is what happens in a rape culture.

Indeed, she was drunk it was her own fault she was bullied into not making a complaint.......

UncleRuckus · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:22

Hikari Kisugi said:
Are you sure you don't mean, 'Police sodomising rapist apologist'?

Check your privilege you woman hating misogynist! :mad:

fez · 31 Jul 2013 at 19:30

Its amazing how many scumbags and lowlifes are willing to try and turn around their own horrible behaviour onto someone else to escape punishment / make a few quid. Oh wait...

The fact that 1/4 of the police force had a complaint against them between 2011/2012 either means that we have an appalling police force or that criminals are quite happy to do anything to avoid punishment / responsibility for their actions.

The IPCC report seems to either completely blame the police and what others (who I got the impression are police officers) have said is standard procedure or they are simply commenting on her version of events.

There are cameras in cells no? Cameras don't work that well unless someone is watching them. If the officers have breached the rules they will be punished but you come across as completely biased hurfdurf.

Being told that if she wants legal advice or help that she will have to stay longer. How would she get this advice without having to stay at the police station. I would have said that officer was just telling her that if she wants to go now she won't get the advice so she will have to stay longer if she wants it.