Are you for or against foriegn aid

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This is one of issues I just can't make up my mind on. I know I'm not smart enough to understand if the aid is a good or bad thing. I do worry that helping today makes more children to feed tomorrow and that much of the problems aren't fixed only patched by aid.
 
Aid needs to be effective...simply giving money to foreign governments is not effective.

I am for increasing Aid to programmes that benefit the people that really need such help, and that such programmes are designed to enable those people to help themselves through incentives to development and redistribution of local wealth and resources.

Aid should also be implemented so it benefits UK interests wherever possible.
 
foreign aid is generally just an excuse to give back handers and bribes.

if we didn't do it BAE etc wouldn't get the contracts they need from 3rd world countries....

Charity should begin at home. Fix our own country's problems first then we will be in a better position to help others.
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yea they were closing libraries and swimming pools all over Newcastle recently because of budget cuts... yet we give billions to other countries in aid
 
Castiel said:
Aid needs to be effective...simply giving money to foreign governments is not effective.

I am for increasing Aid to programmes that benefit the people that really need such help, and that such programmes are designed to enable those people to help themselves through incentives to development and redistribution of local wealth and resources.

Aid should also be implemented so it benefits UK interests wherever possible.
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I agree. It should be in the UK's interest where possible, but not when the need of the people receiving the aid is greater.
 
doofer said:
A while back I remember a screen shot taken of the BBC News site, in this screen shot was two headlines on the same front page, one was 'The UK sends £50Million in foreign aid to India' and the other one was 'India to spend £300Million on Space Program'. Derp.
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Major Derpage is more appropriate

without getting sidetracked about taxes etc i say for, but how it is used no, id rather have my tank of fuel. actually I dont think id rather it be spent here either, itd be wasted again
 
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arknor said:
foreign aid is generally just an excuse to give back handers and bribes.

if we didn't do it BAE etc wouldn't get the contracts they need from 3rd world countries....


yea they were closing libraries and swimming pools all over Newcastle recently because of budget cuts... yet we give billions to other countries in aid
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sorry family, no aid rice from the uk for tea tonight, arknor needs a swim :rolleyes:
 
it was an example of massive budget cuts we are seeing in the country :rolleyes:
yet still giving away as much aid as ever...

tbh I couldn't give a crap about feeding africans or ethiopians that keep having kids they can't feed and expect the rest of the world to bend over for them.

if I can't afford any more children I don;t have any it's ****** simple

Maybe I should quit my job and have 10 kids so you can keep giving me money to support them, then my 10 kids can have 10 kids each living on benefits... then their kids have another 10 kids.
when does it stop? probably when we stop feeding them all we are doing is breeding countries that come to depend on foreign aid they would be better off having a population that can sustain themselves.

not much aid makes it to the people who need it anyway

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=corruption+foreign+aid
 
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If any individual were so badly in debt and struggling, would they give to others before helping themselves?

Absolutely not. Same goes for countries. It's just unbelievable that this is still going on.
 
We send money all over the world but Nigeria shouldn't be one of them..

I just read they've spent 1 billion of ours on their space program..

I'd rather see them drop food supplies to affected areas. Not just pumping money into peoples bank accounts..

But I'm sure David Cameron already knows this and couldn't care a less about what his country thinks...

Obviously the immigrants or children of immigrants on here would rather see every penny made in England go to foreign aid of their ancestral home, which is concerning..
 
Against.

It needs to be effective and provide tangible benefits to the UK. In the meantime there are better things to invest the money in at home that can save lives and improve quality of life. Education and crumbling and under-resouced hospitals for a start.

Propping up some tinpot dictator in Africa isn't a good use of tax in my opinion. If the top 1% of earners want to donate to that kind of thing then that's just fine.
 
elmarko said:
Welcome to the wonderful world of the fallacy of false choices, where one must donate 100% of everything they do to not be a hypocrite & support societal changes which result in reduced human suffering.
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I take it that means it's the latter? In which case you're preaching from a position of "do what I say, not what I do", and as such I can't really see how you can justify your argument - but let me guess, your response to that will be something along the lines of "Of all the people on this forum I don't have to justify myself to you. *stamps feet and sulks*"

elmarko said:
Do you think that if we scrap foreign aid, poverty will end in the UK?, do you really think that the two are directly connected?, seriously? - is this how your mind "works"?
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Do you really think that if we were to divert the funds currently used for foreign aid into foodbanks and community projects (e.g. giving the feral youth something to actually do that doesn't involve robbing and graffiti) it wouldn't make the UK that little bit nicer/easier to live in. Thanks for the misplaced patronisation, it's good to know I'm confounding you with my superior wit and intellect. ;)

Since you seem to be so for the idea, how about you give us an example of where foreign aid has actually sorted a country out, and it's now in a far better position than it was 30 years ago?

Note: I have no problem with a one-off "hit" of foreign aid to help a country after a crisis such as an earthquake, flood, tsunami, etc. It's the constant money we throw at countries to essentially allow people to live in the middle of an inhospitable barren desert.
 
Haggisman said:
I take it that means it's the latter? In which case you're preaching from a position of "do what I say, not what I do", and as such I can't really see how you can justify your argument - but let me guess, your response to that will be something along the lines of "Of all the people on this forum I don't have to justify myself to you. *stamps feet and sulks*"
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Where did I preach that the UK should give 100% of everything to the developing world?.
I didn't - I think the UK should give a reasonable amount to aid those less fortunate (just as I do).

Stop making pathetically absurd arguments, you are embarrassing yourself.

Haggisman said:
Do you really think that if we were to divert the funds currently used for foreign aid into foodbanks and community projects (e.g. giving the feral youth something to actually do that doesn't involve robbing and graffiti) it wouldn't make the UK that little bit nicer/easier to live in. Thanks for the misplaced patronisation, it's good to know I'm confounding you with my superior wit and intellect. ;).
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I'm sorry, but what part of supporting foreign aid results in the inability to support domestic projects?.

The fact I regularly raise money for numerous domestic & foreign charities complexly destroys whatever pathetic point you are trying to make.

I've spend a couple of hundred hours raising money for Shelter just this year, I buy 20% extra on my food shopping weekly into the food trollies at the local supermarket, I donate 10% of my income through my" give as you earn scheme" at work (British Red Cross & NPCC) & regularly give to various other charities & have offered & given financial assistance to members of this forum multiple times.

On-top of that I support political changes (Which are usually at the determent to me personally financially due to my relative position of privilege) which reduce unnecessary human suffering both domestically & abroad - if you must know.

What the hell have you done?.

Haggisman said:
Since you seem to be so for the idea, how about you give us an example of where foreign aid has actually sorted a country out, and it's now in a far better position than it was 30 years ago?
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Do you think foreign aid is simply giving food to half starving people?, are you confusing short term famine aid with long term infrastructure projects, water pump creation, arable land purchases to give to locals - many communities have become significantly more independent from aid due to many positive schemes.

Have you even done any research on the subject?.

Haggisman said:
Note: I have no problem with a one-off "hit" of foreign aid to help a country after a crisis such as an earthquake, flood, tsunami, etc. It's the constant money we throw at countries to essentially allow people to live in the middle of an inhospitable barren desert.
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Arguing against misallocation of resources or poor efficiency isn't an argument against foreign aid in principle.

Do you even understand the difference?.

Marine Iguana said:
**** other countries.
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:p - I have no problem with this point of view, at least it's honest.
 
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elmarko for PM, you have my vote

You may also mention in your post mis-allocation isn't just the preserve of these countries who receive aid, look closer to home - councils spending millions on parties, MP's fiddling expenses, tax avoiders etc.

We're supposed to be the civilised ones .....
 
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