European Union Birth Certificates - Daily Mail Lying?

Glaucus said:
Of course it's not, but people love to get worked up about the eu.
Photo card is great, it's a simple easy to carry id. Better than carying passport around to prove your age.

And nothing wrong with this either.
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Why should I have to prove my identity by carrying a card?
 
Glaucus said:
So what if you are I in a car, what difference does that make, you don't have to carry your license.
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https://www.gov.uk/stopped-by-police-while-driving-your-rights/overview
The police can stop a vehicle for any reason. If they ask you to stop, you should always pull over. You’re breaking the law if you don’t.

If you’re stopped, the police can ask to see your:

driving licence
insurance certificate
MOT certificate

If you don’t have these documents with you, you have 7 days to take them to a police station. You’re breaking the law if you don’t show the requested documents within 7 days.
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you don't have to carry them but you still have to produce them at a police station within 7 days
 
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What an odd post, proving you do not have to carry them, just like I said.

And oh no having to prove who you are and you hold a license, to do something you require a license for. What an invasion of rights, not.
 
Yet another non issue being made into a mountain to make the eurosceptics look slightly less bonkers.

An optional standardised BC is a great idea, anyone who's tried getting a UK document to use in a foreign country will know it's a pain (signed by notary, legalised in the UK, translated, re-legalised in destination country)
 
Just think - that document that you never look at and may not even have a copy of? It'll have the EU flag on it.

Mother of God.
 
As allready posted, but people seem to of missed/ignored it

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-355_en.htm
No more costly and bureaucratic stamps for public documents – European Commission acts to slash red tape in all Member States

Today the European Commission is proposing to slash red tape for citizens and businesses by doing away with bureaucratic rubber-stamping exercises currently required to get public documents like your birth certificate recognised as authentic in another EU Member State. Currently, citizens who move to another Member State have to spend a lot of time and money in order to demonstrate that their public documents (such as birth or marriage certificates) issued by their Member State of origin are authentic. This involves the so-called 'Apostille' certificate which is used by public authorities in other states as proof that public documents, or the signatures of national officials on documents, are genuine. Businesses operating across EU borders in the EU’s Single Market are also affected. For instance, they will often be required to produce a number of certified public documents in order to prove their legal status when operating cross-border. These requirements date from an era when countries would only trust a public document if it came from the foreign office of another country. However, just as we trust in each other's court judgements, we should be able to trust a Member State's Registry Office issuing birth certificates, without needing their foreign office, justice ministry, or other authorities to vouch for them. Today, the European Commission is therefore proposing to scrap the 'Apostille' stamp and a further series of arcane administrative requirements for certifying public documents for people living and working in other Member States.

“Every time you cross a border, you don't have to get your foreign office to confirm that your passport really is a passport – why should you have to do so for a birth certificate?” said Vice-President Viviane Reding, the EU’s Justice Commissioner. “When you move abroad, having to go through these costly formalities in order to establish that your birth certificate is indeed a birth certificate or simply to make use of a company certificate creates a bureaucratic headache. I have heard countless stories about the hassle involved in satisfying these incomprehensible requirements. Today, the Commission is acting to simplify people's and companies’ lives when they exercise their free movement rights in the EU.”

Under the Commission’s proposals, adopted today, citizens and businesses would no longer have to provide costly 'legalised' versions or 'certified' translations of official documents when, for example, registering a house or company, getting married, or requesting a residence card. Twelve categories of public documents1 would automatically be exempted from formalities such as 'Apostille' and 'legalisation' – which are currently required for around 1.4 million documents within the EU each year. Abolishing these requirements will save citizens and businesses in the EU up to 330 million euro, not counting the saved time and inconvenience that is avoided.

The new rules will not, however, have any impact on the recognition of the content or the effects of the documents concerned. The new rules will only help prove the authenticity of the public document, for example whether a signature is authentic and the capacity in which the public office holder is signing. This will have to be mutually accepted between Member States without any additional certification requirements.

The Commission is also proposing a further simplification tool: optional multilingual standardised forms in all EU official languages that citizens and businesses could request instead of and under the same conditions as national public documents concerning birth, death, marriage, registered partnership and legal status and representation of a company or other undertaking (see Annex for examples). This would particularly help to save on translation costs, since the attraction of such an option is that it frees citizens and businesses from having to worry about translations. The design of these forms has taken inspiration from specific international conventions2.

The proposal also provides for safeguards against fraud. If a national authority has reasonable doubt about a particular document, Member States will be able to check its authenticity with the issuing authorities through the existing Internal Market Information System (IMI).


The new rules will simplify formalities by:

  • Abolishing the formalities of 'legalisation' and 'Apostille';
  • Doing away with the need to present a certified copy together with the original public document and, instead, allow for non-certified copies to be presented together with the originals;
  • Ensuring that non-certified translations of public documents issued by the authorities of other Member States are accepted.
  • Providing optional multilingual EU standard forms.
    Improving administrative cooperation between the Member States to help fight against fraud.

    Next steps: To become law the proposed Regulation will now have to be adopted by he European Parliament and the Council of Ministers using the "ordinary legislative procedure" (co-decision). In addition, during the 2013 European Year of Citizens, on 8 May 2013, the Commission will publish a second EU citizenship report, outlining 12 new concrete actions to address remaining problems that EU citizens still face when exercising their free movement rights.
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Glaucus said:
proving you do not have to carry them, just like I said.
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No, he's proved it's a ball ache if you don't carry one, therefore you end up carrying one.
And oh no having to prove who you are and you hold a license, to do something you require a license for. What an invasion of rights, not.
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Yes it is. I took a test to prove I'm able to drive a car, I got a bit of paper that said so. It's exactly the same thing given to people who pass a degree or own a gun or whatever - a simple proof that you are qualified to do a certain activity.

Twenty years later that suddenly isn't good enough and now I have to prove who I am as well. This is extending the remit of a simple task permit and making that in a compulsory bureaucrats wet dream.

I don't want an ID card, nor do I want to play the game of attrition with the state as it slowly turns every official document into a photo opportunity.
 
Proving whoo you are is not new, that hasn't changed since you first took your test.

This really is laughable.

And how often do you get stopped?
Only be stopped three times and two of them was within 10minutes of each other. Wasn't a hassle taking documents to station. Back in those days we had too take insurance, MOt as well. How many people carried them, very few.
It's rare you have to take it to station these days anyway, as they just check your license online.

A piece of paper on its own does not pro pve you are entitled as old license did not verify who you are. A simple photo is an easy way to cut down on fraud.
 
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bitslice said:
Whoosh...
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Not wish at all, as I've pointed out nothing's changed from 20years ago.
And neither is it an infringment of rights, you need a driving license, but anyone could use someone else's driving license unless you can prove you are the person that is named on the driving license.
So go whoosh somewhere else.
 
Obvious slipery slope is obvious. By the time Brussles are done grandchildren will have to have a super-RFID chip implanted in there skull that relays every time they burp and dont say "excuse me". This, along with the EU-GPS transeiver will have them automatically arrested by the European Secret Police for crimes against humanity. Not only this, but they will all be made from cancer causing materials that spread AIDS and funnels half my wage directly into an asylum seekers bank account every month.

bitslice said:
Whoosh...
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Stop going "Whoosh" in your car and you might not get stopped so much. :confused:
 
Glaucus said:
Not wish at all, as I've pointed out nothing's changed from 20years ago.
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No, we had a bit of paper, it's officialness was commiserate with its importance. "This person passed this test"

Now it requires my picture on it and makes me pay for the privilege every ten years (despite looking exactly the same for the past 30)


but anyone could use someone else's driving license unless you can prove you are the person that is named on the driving license.
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I was quite happy with providing a passport if required, a document that does actually require a picture. If the document was treated for what it was (permit to drive), then all that would happen would be someone could use my name to pretend they could drive - big deal
Now with a picture on the thing they could pretend they are me.

Maybe you should do some research on identity theft, then you'd realise that this sort of spreading photo "proof" is actually a gift horse for fraudsters.
 
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