6 month workout review and couple of questions

ElliottJames said:
I said I will get stats and pics when I'm home from London.
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Why do you need to be in London for 'stats'?

ElliottJames said:
He may be juicing - doesn't neglect from my point it's all broscience. Cardio can be done whenever. Kai Greene, Phil Heath all do Cardio before a workout, are they wrong?
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You can't compare an average guy to a top level BB who's body so pumped full of chemicals the normal rules don't apply. Stop using these guys as examples, it's stupid.


ElliottJames said:
There's mentality behind it as if you wish to keep your cardio fitness at a good level - if you work hard enough when lifting often you find excuses to avoid the cardio post workout. It can be done whenever not 'strictly after'
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Still failing to provide any reason to do cardio before weight training. Many reason have been given above as to why it's not a good idea. I hope you put more effort into reading for your uni work.
 
dirtybeatfreak said:
Sorry, next time I will trail through months of someone's posts to make sure my facts are correct :rolleyes: My point still stands though, you have obviously been lifting a while.
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A few years - my originally point was merely saying there's way too much broscience in every thread to do with lifting in this forum with people implying their Mr Olympias yet they're benching 30kg. Using Freefaller as an example he has clearly been lifting for years and has the stats to back up his points and the experience. Yet there's people coming in here laying the law of bodybuilding down.
 
ElliottJames said:
A few years - my originally point was merely saying there's way too much broscience in every thread to do with lifting in this forum with people implying their Mr Olympias yet they're benching 30kg. Using Freefaller as an example he has clearly been lifting for years and has the stats to back up his points and the experience. Yet there's people coming in here laying the law of bodybuilding down.
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So if FF says don't do cardio before weights, that will end all this nonsense? :D
 
ElliottJames said:
A few years - my originally point was merely saying there's way too much broscience in every thread to do with lifting in this forum with people implying their Mr Olympias yet they're benching 30kg. Using Freefaller as an example he has clearly been lifting for years and has the stats to back up his points and the experience. Yet there's people coming in here laying the law of bodybuilding down.
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you're just digging yourself a hole, i haven't seen anyone bar you implying that they know everything here.. :)
 
been doing a silly workout dvd (jilian michaels) with the mrs, was her idea. :(

even on there it's strength -> cardio -> abs :p

just my no-clue-2p ;)
 
LiE said:
Why do you need to be in London for 'stats'?



You can't compare an average guy to a top level BB who's body so pumped full of chemicals the normal rules don't apply. Stop using these guys as examples, it's stupid.




Still failing to provide any reason to do cardio before weight training. Many reason have been given above as to why it's not a good idea. I hope you put more effort into reading for your uni work.
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Okay so explain to me the effects of these said chemicals, what 'chemicals' they may be taking, tren test dnp dbol clen masteron. Explain the aid of them then if your implying it allows them to train 10 hours a day. I explained my reasoning and one many bodybuilders use as the mentality of 'too tired to do cardio after training' YOUR failing to see my clear cut point. If you choose to do Cardio, key word choose, I am clearly saying there is no perfect time to do it, not before or neither after which your failing to read. Are you telling me 30 minutes on the elliptical would effect your lifting? You wouldn't be able to do as many reps/sets.
 
ElliottJames said:
Okay so explain to me the effects of these said chemicals, what 'chemicals' they may be taking, tren test dnp dbol clen masteron. Explain the aid of them then if your implying it allows them to train 10 hours a day. I explained my reasoning and one many bodybuilders use as the mentality of 'too tired to do cardio after training' YOUR failing to see my clear cut point. If you choose to do Cardio, key word choose, I am clearly saying there is no perfect time to do it, not before or neither after which your failing to read. Are you telling me 30 minutes on the elliptical would effect your lifting? You wouldn't be able to do as many reps/sets.
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We don't need to get into a discussion about what they do, all we need to know is comparing someone who is at their level, on those drugs, with a average gym goer is stupid.

And I'm saying, doing Cardio before weight training is a stupid idea, how can you not understand that? Of course there is optimal times to do cardio, it has impact, it uses your body. Use some common sense.
 
icecold said:
Kai Greene was using cardio for a specific purpose and is also joooced up to the back nines.

Biological age has nothing to do with how much you can lift. This guy is around your age and is not on steriods, why can't you lift as much as him?

Come on mate you're smarter than this.
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My point of how much one can lift in reference to my argument is explained on the 4th page. I can't lift as much as him as I more than likely don't train as hard or frequent as him. Also you are aware of the difference between a powerlifter and a bodybuilder right, him being a powerlifter. Completely different ends of the spectrum, training, diet, routine and such.
 
ElliottJames said:
My point of how much one can lift in reference to my argument is explained on the 4th page. I can't lift as much as him as I more than likely don't train as hard or frequent as him. Also you are aware of the difference between a powerlifter and a bodybuilder right, him being a powerlifter. Completely different ends of the spectrum, training, diet, routine and such.
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lol, icecold you have been educated :rolleyes:
 
LiE said:
We don't need to get into a discussion about what they do, all we need to know is comparing someone who is at their level, on those drugs, with a average gym goer is stupid.

And I'm saying, doing Cardio before weight training is a stupid idea, how can you not understand that? Of course there is optimal times to do cardio, it has impact, it uses your body. Use some common sense.
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I am using my common sense - are you using yours. Bodybuilding includes cardiovascular fitness and this is a bodybuilding discussion. Using your logic if one wants to incorporate cardio - your saying that the workout done last will not be as strong, lacking the effort due to the fatigue of the cardio/weight lifting whichever is done first - so if one is to do cardio after a workout, the effort will be minimal according to your logic. I have been doing Cardio before lifting now for a good year and it does not at all effect my lifts.
 
ElliottJames said:
A few years - my originally point was merely saying there's way too much broscience in every thread to do with lifting in this forum with people implying their Mr Olympias yet they're benching 30kg. Using Freefaller as an example he has clearly been lifting for years and has the stats to back up his points and the experience. Yet there's people coming in here laying the law of bodybuilding down.
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But no-one implied they were Mr Olympia, you came into this thread and jumped on Grudas and anyone with a 50-60kg bench and described that as 'lolable' and that because they are older, they should be lifting more without any consideration to their physical health before they started.

So you yourself, have in fact entered a thread and claimed Mr Olympia...don't you find it ironic that it is that which you hate, but have done yourself??
 
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LiE said:
We don't need to get into a discussion about what they do, all we need to know is comparing someone who is at their level, on those drugs, with a average gym goer is stupid.

And I'm saying, doing Cardio before weight training is a stupid idea, how can you not understand that? Of course there is optimal times to do cardio, it has impact, it uses your body. Use some common sense.
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Don't bother, dude - you and I are going to have to squeeze treadmills into our gyms as we're clearly on the wrong path. Just think, all those cardiolactatefatigue gains we've been missing out on... you could have been lifting 4x what I do instead of just 3x... or maybe I'd be lifting over half your current total if I did cardio...

I knew there was something I was missing in my Olympic lifting regime that could have gotten me the jump on all those other lifters who aren't currently doing it... :(
 
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dirtybeatfreak said:
But no-one implied they were Mr Olympia, you came into this thread and jumped on Grudas and anyone with a 50-60kg bench and described that as 'lolable' and that because they are older, they should be lifting more without any consideration to their physical health before they started.

So you yourself, have in fact entered a thread and claimed Mr Olympia...don't you find it ironic that it is that which you hate, but have done yourself??
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Bet me too it.
 
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ElliottJames said:
I am using my common sense - are you using yours. Bodybuilding includes cardiovascular fitness and this is a bodybuilding discussion. Using your logic if one wants to incorporate cardio - your saying that the workout done last will not be as strong, lacking the effort due to the fatigue of the cardio/weight lifting whichever is done first - so if one is to do cardio after a workout, the effort will be minimal according to your logic. I have been doing Cardio before lifting now for a good year and it does not at all effect my lifts.
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You're on your own with this.
 
ElliottJames said:
On an Iphone that didn't automatically correct it. I actually laughed my **** of looking at your stats. Like literally 40kg bench, you amused me for a good 30minutes.


Bench 40kg (5x5)
Deadlift 80kg (1x5)
Squat 65kg (5x5)
OHP 25kg (5x5)
T-Bar row 40kg (5x5)
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U wot m8?! U better shut your mouth I swear I'll hook you in the gabber m8
 
mrthingyx said:
Don't bother, dude - you and I are going to have to squeeze treadmills into our gyms as we're clearly on the wrong path. Just think, all those cardiolactatefatigue gains we've been missing out on... you could have been lifting 4x what I do instead of just 3x... or maybe I'd be lifting over half your current total if I did cardio...

I knew there was something I was missing in my Olympic lifting regime that could have gotten me the jump on all those other lifters who aren't currently doing it... :(
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This must be the most idiotic post I have ever witnessed. No-one said CARDIO is needed, no-one implied 'YOU MUST DO CARDIO!' Please read it back. We're on the discussion of IF you do cardio in your work-out, not oh everyone who doesn't do cardio is an silly and needs to do it. I never once said everyone must do cardio. You sir are just lmao - read it back then read your post. I don't know who your speaking to but your not even on the same topic as us which leads me to suggest one is not in the same spectrum as this discussion. Your post, the point your making is 'ELLIOTTJAMES IS SAYING WE MUST DO CARDIO, MISSING THEM GAINZ' when in fact we're discussing the non importance of the time cardio is done at.
 
ElliottJames said:
:rolleyes: clearcut that comments silly. If someone was training to be a powerlifter their complete routine would be adverse to a bodybuilders. The fact you fail to see MY point in the response to ice-cold proves your Imbecilic
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EH? Bodybuilding or Powerlifting, the priority is on muscle adaptation. Cardio before any weight training is reducing the effectiveness of this adaptation. Simple as that.
 
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