So if I was to sell the Evo..

Matt82 said:
I take it that would be early/mid 2000s material too? The list of problems could be a long one, youd have to be a braver man than I
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Yup, dual exhausts at the back and not quads like later models (I think). It's a crazy and daring buy. SEC Mercs also make me go funny. I think the styling appeals for me.

Chris, go have a few test drives and see what you like, if nothing tickles your fancy now, keep the Evo.
 
Vita said:
Yup, dual exhausts at the back and not quads like later models (I think). It's a crazy and daring buy. SEC Mercs also make me go funny. I think the styling appeals for me.

Chris, go have a few test drives and see what you like, if nothing tickles your fancy now, keep the Evo.
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Youre convinced, you barely acknowledged the shortfalls on those cars. It will be epic but i cant see it being a particularly useable car to run on a budget
 
Early 00's Benz = scary. A friend used to have an 03 E500, thing was in the dealership once a month and never came out with a bill under a grand. Pretty sure Jez on here confirmed this is something like the norm with those cars.
 
Gibbo said:
You got a problem with me or something? You seem to be making digs and I'd like to know why?

For your interest I'm not selling the 911, I'm keeping it but mainly as a road car just doing 1-2 track days per year, whereas the M3 will be the main track project doing 8-12 track events a year. When the snow comes I've got the Jaaaag.

Can't run the Porsche properly, what a load of crock, it's not that expensive to run as a road car, as a track car it cost thousands per year. So what's your problem, have I offended you in some way?

P.S. Since when were 911's hair dressers cars?
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no problem just you seem like you want to sell the porsche and have a jag as a run about. using the m3 as track car fair do's and pocket the cash.

also a decent hair dresser will have either a porsche or a audi ;) its common knowledge didnt you know that ?



basically the guys seen your thread on the the track day m3 yeah ?

seen how a lot say its faster than a evo and thinking of probably going m3

with his money what does he buy ?

obvious choices

m3
big merc
monaro


something like that

thing is what does he actually want and what will he get .

also little plus what is the best time in dry for a evo fq similar horsepower to your m3 best time ? well leave the weather out just a normal dry day.

400 bhp evo donnigton on slick 1:20 your best m3 car time please ?
 
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Matt82 said:
Youre convinced, you barely acknowledged the shortfalls on those cars. It will be epic but i cant see it being a particularly useable car to run on a budget
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This Is why I haven't bothered. Haven't got enough spare cash to run those cars. If I did then I would probably go ahead and purchase one to have for a little while.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
no problem just you seem like you want to sell the porsche and have a jag as a run about. using the m3 as track car fair do's and pocket the cash.

also a decent hair dresser will have either a porsche or a audi ;) its common knowledge didnt you know that ?



basically the guys seen your thread on the the track day m3 yeah ?

seen how a lot say its faster than a evo and thinking of probably going m3

with his money what does he buy ?

obvious choices

m3
big merc
monaro


something like that

thing is what does he actually want and what will he get .

also little plus what is the best time in dry for a evo fq similar horsepower to your m3 best time ? well leave the weather out just a normal dry day.

400 bhp evo donnigton on slick 1:20 your best m3 car time please ?
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I doubt my thread on a stripped M3 with bone hard suspension is the reason he wants a change, I suspect he just wishes to try something else.

I don't know any hair dressers with 911's to be honest...

Here is a CSL on cups (semi-slick) with 360BHP and it beats your 1:20 and the guy is messing around, power sliding, traffic too. A clear lap, slicks and bring the power to 400BHP and were talking 1:14-1:16 in a CSL/M3 on slicks, maybe faster with coil overs.




A 1:18 with a near clear lap:-

 
so 1:18 stripped out m3 vs evo fx 360 not stripped out doing 1:20 similar tyres

evo should weigh similar stripped out so would be about same times.

cheers for comparison.
 
Dg, you got lost when you seemingly attacked Gibbo, or at least, took a few digs at him for some unknown reason.
MilanoChris wants to try OTHER cars, not just the EVO. Gibbo was suggesting other cars. Porsches fall into the category of OTHER cars funnily enough.

Also, I think that Gibbo having owned the Porsche for what, a year or 2? Kinda shows it's not too expensive to run. Tracking most cars will cost a bucket load each year, some more than others granted but certainly not a huge gap between most equivalent performance cars.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
so 1:18 stripped out m3 vs evo fx 360 not stripped out doing 1:20 similar tyres

evo should weigh similar stripped out so would be about same times.

cheers for comparison.
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A CSL is not stripped it has full interior, which is in the above video's, they weigh 1380-1420kg with no fuel and no driver based on factory spec. Also semi slicks are in no way similar to full slicks, the difference is huge, not even remotely similar.

A stripped M3 weighs in at circa 1300kg, a stripped CSL below 1250kg, some even sub 1200kg.

Also who fits slicks tyres to a normal road going car? I suppose some might but the people I see at track days running slicks are those with dedicated track cars.

Also slick tyres are worth more in lap time than say removing 100kg. An example:-

A CSL on Michelin PS2's (road tyre) will do 110-115mph through craners.
A CSL on Michelin cups (semi slick - road legal) will do circa 120mph through craners.
A CSL on slicks will do 125-130mph through craners.

Whereas the difference between say a 1300kg and 1500kg M3 through craners would not be much.

A stripped CSL, on coil overs, on slicks with a clear dry lap would do sub 1:15 quite easily, just like a well sorted GT3 would be another 1-2s faster again.

Maybe you should post a video up of your mates EVO doing a 1:20 or even better sub 1:18 as I struggle to believe a near stock FQ-360 is doing near 1:20 lap times. Simply because a friend of mine is a qualified race driver, mainly rallying his experience though and he owns an EVO X FQ-330 and he came on a track day to Donnington just over a year ago with me and he fitted full slicks whilst at the track. The end result was he was bloody quick, but still lapping 1-2s slower than my 911 which at the time was on road tyres and my best was 1:25-1:26 and he is an amazing driver.
So for a stock FQ-360 whether it's a IX or X to be doing 1:20's on slicks which is pretty much stock is hard to believe unless the driver is the Stig and absolutely driving the wheels off it and take huge amounts of curb.
 
My S2000 is 1:30ish around Donington, doesn't surprise me that Evos aren't much quicker. To build on clarkeys earlier comment. Jap 4wd 4cy turbos never seem that quick on a track.
 
Simon said:
My S2000 is 1:30ish around Donington, doesn't surprise me that Evos aren't much quicker. To build on clarkeys earlier comment. Jap 4wd 4cy turbos never seem that quick on a track.
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Agreed.

I generally see things like Saxo's, Clio's and Meganes passing them, of course they are stripped and on slicks, they just don't seem to work so great on track and the understeer makes itself very noticeable on track.

Though the EVO X was not bad in its defence but like my mate said who races the things professionally said they are not a circuit car, as a road car they are pretty untouchable and I've always said, my EVO on the road was a menace it was hugely capable and pretty much anyone can extract 90% of an EVO's ability on the road, and that is why some soon get bored of them, just not challenging or engaging enough, even though they are superb.

RWD or FWD with as little weight as possible seems ideal for track. I did consider Will Gill's S2000 when he was selling it but it sold so damn quick there was no chance, so at that point for 6-7k I was swaying towards M3 a lot more, plus I really love SMG, I know I am strange. :D
Still a stripped S2000, with roof mechanism removed, slicks, proper setup I can imagine would be another awesome car on track, gotta be possible to drop one to around 1100kg I'd have imagined. :)
 
MilanoChris said:
Not really fussed about lap times lads, not something I look for in a car. :)
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Because you want a car for the road which you already have one of the most capable. :)

Its an interest to me because I love stats ;) and I have a car dedicated for track work.

Just go an test drive loads of car m8, on my shortlist I'd try:-

E9x M3 (they are dropping in price like sledge hammers)
E46 M3
Z4M
EVO X FQ-360 (I'd not buy one but you can get a feel for the difference from yours)
AMG Merc (make sure it has a warranty)
Porsche Cayman
Porsche Boxster
Audi RS4 (I found it not as exciting as the EVO - but ultimate class)
BMW 135i (If they are in this price region now)
Lotus Elise
Nissan 370z (Not a Cayman handling wise, but much newer and faster)
Peugeot RCZ - HAHA I'm joking ;)

Then stick with what you've got or buy the one you like best. :D
 
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