How safe is Egypt at the minute?
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Soldato
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So defending yourselfs against armed protesters who hide among unarmed protesters is a bad thing?
Please explain what you would do if you was in charge.
I feel sorry for those "in charge" at the moment - whatever they do they are going to look bad, they either stamp down hard on islamists and get world wide condemnation for being heavy handed or stand back while the country is destabalised.
Was the military coup justified? Was the original protest by those that lost the election cracked down upon like this?
Why on earth would you give the old military regime an excuse to install a puppet regime which they will inevitably do?
The reason the world is giving them condemnation is because they are illegitimately in power by any democratic standards.
I wonder how many of the same people above sympathised with the democratically elected Turkish government when they attempted to disperse a protest with far far less lethal force.
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You have an interesting take on the concept of self defence. Many people may think if the army wasn't on the streets doing civilian crowd control, it wouldn't need to "defend itself" in the first place.
The original protests that removed morsi didn't as far as I'm aware involve groups of gunman firing on police/army - some of the videos seem to suggests some of the gunmen/rabble rousers in this latest protest are provocateurs whether army stooges or hardcore islamist elements isn't clear.
The situation seems a bit of the old rock and hard place for everyone involved on both sides.
Even Muslims at work I spoke to today about this said the Brotherhood should take a hike. Though that's the problem with a 3rd world mentally. It would appear violence is all they'll respond to.
Keep your Sky Gods separate from normal people that just want normal lives without religious hocus pocus intruding.
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Well unless the hocus pocus lot are in the majority, in which case keep your atheist views at home, quiet, and under the bed, else they'll bounce rocks off your head until you agree.
These gunmen would argue they have a mandate to fight a military coup. The provocation was the coup itself.
If the military in say the USA suddenly deposed the government by force, you really going to call people exercising their second amendment right (designed exactly for this purpose) provocateurs?
Also didn't the violence only start with the attempt to remove people from the area?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Egyptian_coup_d'état
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There are several videos where the actions of these people is suspect to say the least - I can't link them here due to the nature of the content and a few seem to have been taken down since I viewed them earlier tho you can still find mention of them on google.
I don't think you can draw parallels between Egypt and many other countries as the demographic makeup is very different - for instance the relationship between the army and the people in Egypt is very different to that of the US.
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Indeed, good point.
Instead they should be left alone and allowed to riot, maybe start a civil war or something. The London Police should take note next time there are riots.
I wonder what other Syria would say about this.
The BBC and other British news outlets seem to be backing the Brotherhood - why? Having them in power in Europe's back yard runs completely contrary to British interests. Let's be honest, if Egypt descends into civil war we'll only have one option - back the anti-Morsi faction.
Before anyone starts going on about democracy, remember that true democracy means a bit more than merely holding elections every X years - Morsi's changes to the constitution of Egypt are a slap in the face to those who stood up to Mubarak.
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Hey guys, I was thinking of visiting Kabul for a summer holiday, what do you think? After that I thought I might hitch-hike to the Gaza strip for a booze up.
One of my friends who lives in Eygpt says things are bad, but nowhere as near as bad as the media is making out.
He went to work today, and apart from a bit of talk with this co-workers, everything was as normal.
He went to work today, and apart from a bit of talk with this co-workers, everything was as normal.
Yeh, 600+ deaths in your capital city in 1/2 nights isn't that bad.
A month long night time curfew is also normal.
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It's completely bizarre isn't it?!?! It's like they didn't do history in school or something, if we allow the Brotherhood and it's supporters to take over we'd have another Iran right across the med!