NHS stop-smoking service 'a success'

All the people I know who smoke E-Ciggarettes may have given up on the more harmful actual cigarettes, but in turn have become even more addicted to nicotine due to the price and ability to use them in most places.

If I go to a social function with such friends, they will tend to have the e-cig in their mouth pretty much the entire evening, puffing away. Where as if we went to a bar before, they would obviously just occasionally go outside for a cigarette a few times.

My one friend in particular is very militant about his 'vaping' and will try and do it everywhere. Its to the point where I think he actually likes arguing with people over the fact its not smoking and not illegal for him to do so. I personally take the stance though that if a business owner doesn't want you doing it on their property, its their prerogative and every right to tell you to stop.

They have also told me about how its great because they use them all day at work. One guy said he just has to be careful taking a cheeky puff every time his clients have their backs to him.

So it may be a lesser evil compared to actual smoke, but I'm sure there are lots of people even more crazily hooked on nicotine than before.
 
arknor said:
I'm not telling anyone to stop smoking just saying nicotine is not the inert substance people think it is
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I don't think anyone's claiming it is inert are they?

But saying nicotine is dangerous because 'in theory' and under unrealistic scenarios it could harm you is no more helpful on this subject than someone denying nicotine can ever be harmful under any conditions.

The fact is, vaping professionally produced e-liquid in no way could harm you through nicotine poisoning.
 
vaping strikes me as almost the alcopop of the smoking world, take the drug make it a crazy flavour and get everyone doing it.
 
Nexus said:
All the people I know who smoke E-Ciggarettes may have given up on the more harmful actual cigarettes, but in turn have become even more addicted to nicotine due to the price and ability to use them in most places.

If I go to a social function with such friends, they will tend to have the e-cig in their mouth pretty much the entire evening, puffing away. Where as if we went to a bar before, they would obviously just occasionally go outside for a cigarette a few times.

My one friend in particular is very militant about his 'vaping' and will try and do it everywhere. Its to the point where I think he actually likes arguing with people over the fact its not smoking and not illegal for him to do so. I personally take the stance though that if a business owner doesn't want you doing it on their property, its their prerogative and every right to tell you to stop.

They have also told me about how its great because they use them all day at work. One guy said he just has to be careful taking a cheeky puff every time his clients have their backs to him.

So it may be a lesser evil compared to actual smoke, but I'm sure there are lots of people even more crazily hooked on nicotine than before.
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And can you justify why being hooked on something that is relatively harmless is a problem? It seems you are struggling to misalign the genuine concern you have for people smoking with a misplaced one for people vaping for no other reason than them looking similar.

Do you worry that 90% of the world's population are chemically addicted to caffeine? Why isn't that an issue, caffeine is a drug, is addictive and has some harsh withdrawal effects. But we don't worry about it because consuming it is relatively harmless, the same mentality should be applied to e-cigs.

Calling e-cigs a "lesser evil" only highlights your ignorance on just how dangerous you think they are. It would be like me saying talking about stabbings and claiming a drawing pin is a 'lesser evil' to a military grade combat knife. They just aren't close.
 
HEALTH WARNING: SMOKING THREADS MAY CAUSE PREACHING!*

* I don't smoke and never have.

I think I would take the smaller number of full quitters than a horde of people addicted to what is essentially nothing.
 
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Just ban everything, ban cars, ban buses, ban trains, ban working, ban walking, ban clothes, ban sex, ban money ban it all or tax everything to hell and back. It will solve everything !!!!
 
estebanrey said:
Do you worry that 90% of the world's population are chemically addicted to caffeine?
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Caffeine is easy to give up, smoking isn't.

No addition is "good" it's whether it's OK to live with, if it is then people should be left alone to get on with it and not judged for it. I'm arguably addicted to gaming, but harm nobody and manage to prioritise my life around it. It's when the addiction takes over and health, either mental and physical suffer that there's a problem.

Never smoked but don't really see why people get so worked up for or against it, I have asthma that's probably attributable in some measure to my parents smoking heavily when I was growing up, but meh, not a lot anyone can do about it.
 
estebanrey said:
And can you justify why being hooked on something that is relatively harmless is a problem? It seems you are struggling to misalign the genuine concern you have for people smoking with a misplaced one for people vaping for no other reason than them looking similar.

Do you worry that 90% of the world's population are chemically addicted to caffeine? Why isn't that an issue, caffeine is a drug, is addictive and has some harsh withdrawal effects. But we don't worry about it because consuming it is relatively harmless, the same mentality should be applied to e-cigs.

Calling e-cigs a "lesser evil" only highlights your ignorance on just how dangerous you think they are. It would be like me saying talking about stabbings and claiming a drawing pin is a 'lesser evil' to a military grade combat knife. They just aren't close.
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I've not misaligned anything.

I enjoy a coffee, I have two a day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon. That's not a huge amount, but its still an addiction to it as I certainly notice it when I've missed a day without it.

While caffeine is accepted, its not the same as if I was constantly seen with a cup of coffee or an energy drink in my hand, which would certainly be noticed in a professional environment like an office.

If you were just using an e-ciggarette as much as you did with smoking to get your fix, then its not really much different to having it in moderation like with drinking tea or coffee.

The point I was making about my friends is that they have these things in their mouth constantly. Thats considerably more nicotine than when they were smoking.

Caffeine is harmful in large doses, just as is Nicotine if you become addicted to taking large doses, its certainly going to have a detrimental effect on your health, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.
 
I've recently move to an e-cig in an attempt to quit smoking.

I 'smoke' less from the e-cig, and I've started to notice drastic improvements in my lung capacity, sense of taste and smell, and fitness. It'll take a while before it gets to near where I was before I started smoking, but there's a clear improvement/clear out happening.

I've since tried to smoke a normal cigarette but it just makes me feel sick, so I'm sticking with the e-cig.

Now obviously I'm still getting nicotine, but by removing the harmful effects of the smoke, and tar, that I'm not putting into my body, I have to say that it's better quitting aside.

I'm gradually reducing the amount of I'm smoking of the e-cig as well as gradually reducing the nicotine strength of the e-juice, so it's a step in the right direction.

And as when I was smoking proper cigarettes, I do my best not to subject others to it.
 
yer_averagejoe said:
So it costs the NHS £5.7k to get someone to quit smoking?
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altus said:
So it costs Tax payers £5.7k to get someone to quit smoking?

*fixed
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On average, yeah. Don't remember that all the people who seek assistance don't always give up, so that number will be inflated by the resources spent on lost cause smokers.

The headline figures are essentially meaningless without a concrete success rate, e.g. 65% of smokers that sought NHS assistance successfully gave up smoking.
 
estebanrey said:
To quote Penn & Teller...Bulls Hit.

I make my own e-juice, I work with highly concentrated nicotine so I know the dangers. Yes, in high doses it can kill you (as can a lot of other chemicals we consume everyday), but you are exaggerating

Either we ban anything and everything that COULD kill you at any given dose (in which case we'd have to ban almost everything) or we be sensible and judge something based on it's actual use.
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0.1mg of nicotine per kg for children is not a high dose, 1mg is absorbed from the average ciggy , a deep drag can be 0.35mg, I guess a lot of the nicotine vanishes without being inhaled as you are not constantly pulling on it
I never said ban it I said most people aren't aware of to toxic the substance is
 
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Drinking too much water can kill you, therefore we must all cease drinking water. In fact if a child was thrown into a large enough quantity of water, it's possible they could die in a matter of minutes.

BAN WATER NOW! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
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