I would agree, but I do think that regulation is a precaution that should be seriously considered, if nothing else than to ensure and maintain quality of product.
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I would agree, but I do think that regulation is a precaution that should be seriously considered, if nothing else than to ensure and maintain quality of product.
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Estebanray and altus -- While your efforts are appreciated, I don't think Castiel is anyone you need to argue against.
He's already more than demonstrated his understanding of vaping as a VAST harm reduction when compared to smoking. I must say, I (as a vaper) do also agree with him that certain social activities must come into play when vaping as well. I certainly wouldn't consider it in the midst of a restaurant. It's just common politeness. He isn't trying to put you down, by any means.
Please stop arguing minutiae. It just ends up in a massive circle-jerk.
Also -- YES, Castiel... regulation is a fantastic thing, and more than welcome. Medicialisation, as they're currently attempting to impose IS NOT. I hope you see the difference.
He's already more than demonstrated his understanding of vaping as a VAST harm reduction when compared to smoking. I must say, I (as a vaper) do also agree with him that certain social activities must come into play when vaping as well. I certainly wouldn't consider it in the midst of a restaurant. It's just common politeness. He isn't trying to put you down, by any means.
Please stop arguing minutiae. It just ends up in a massive circle-jerk.
Also -- YES, Castiel... regulation is a fantastic thing, and more than welcome. Medicialisation, as they're currently attempting to impose IS NOT. I hope you see the difference.
No worries pestilence, I wasn't aware I was arguing, and yes regulation in a non medical way is my preferred way forward to.
I do fear that it maybe not what we get though :\
Hence we need research that confirms what we think.
Ive been vaping for just over a year now. It annoys me when people ask me when am I giving up smoking. Im not trying to I started vaping because I was spending nearly £7 a day on cigarettes sometimes more than that because I had a tendency to loose my packet or run out depending on weather I was off work or not.
I spend £20 a month vaping. Yes I could get it cheaper if I was mixing my own liquids but I dont trust myself to do that.
If I am in a restaurant I wont vape and I go outside out of politeness to other diners. I wish more people would do the same. I had to deal with a complaint in work tonight because a woman and a man were vaping and it was disturbing the couple behind them. The vapour was blowing back in their direction and it was an off putting smell even for me.
I asked the couple to stop vaping or go outside and the woman tried to quote law to me saying it was legal. Yes it may be legal but if people dont want it disturbing their dining experience then stop doing it!!
I spend £20 a month vaping. Yes I could get it cheaper if I was mixing my own liquids but I dont trust myself to do that.
If I am in a restaurant I wont vape and I go outside out of politeness to other diners. I wish more people would do the same. I had to deal with a complaint in work tonight because a woman and a man were vaping and it was disturbing the couple behind them. The vapour was blowing back in their direction and it was an off putting smell even for me.
I asked the couple to stop vaping or go outside and the woman tried to quote law to me saying it was legal. Yes it may be legal but if people dont want it disturbing their dining experience then stop doing it!!
You of all people then should be able to see why people get worked up about it and why things should be done about it...
So future generations of children don't continue to suffer increased chances of lung damage through the passive inhalation of other peoples cigarette smoke.
Thank the lord above that some-one is thinking about them.
That's exactly what I came in here to say. I don't vape where people are eating (indoors anyway) in case the flavour I'm vaping interferes with their food, and it just seems impolite.
Regulation: all for it. Medicalisation: most definitely not.
Wouldn't it? There are other ingredients in Asthma inhalers that are dangerous in unsupervised/unregulated quantities, Steroids for one.
You obviously know enough about it that you don't need telling smoking increases your chances of getting cancer.
I actually wasn't trying to be a peen that time, I genuinely didn't know that there was such a high incidence of pancreatic cancer with smokers. I know that as a smoker, cancer is an eventuality, but I guess I get blase about it.
Yeah, looking at Cancer Research UKs figures, Pancreatic is a high chance for smokers
.Yeah, looking at Cancer Research UKs figures, Pancreatic is a high chance for smokers
Another reason to stop mucking about and knock it on the head. As if more were needed!
If expensive ad campaigns, general public demonisation, and the increased risk of cancer isn't enough to make some smokers stop, then surely a safer way for them to get their nicotine fix should be welcomed?
Completely agree, but then "Vapers" should also realise that people don't necessarily want them vaping near them. It shouldn't be a case of "there are no risks from the passive vapours so it's ok", rather a case of - like anything - not being a dick!
I realise this is not exclusive to smokers/vapers and there are anti-social people in every activity/habit.
Oh indeed, thought I would have thought most would be conscious of such things, just like most people don't talk on their mobiles in libraries or swear out loud when in Disneyworld.
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In a perfect society that'll be the only law.
Sometimes I can't help it if I'm on the Matterhorn ride. I just get excited.
But yes, there's a difference between having a vape in the corner of your local pub and vaping at a table right next to someone who is having dinner with his missus. It's common sense, but there are always going to be knobs who lack that. I don't think it's a reason to ban the use of ecigs inside, but more of a reason to ban being a knob. If someone asks me to not vape near them, I'll gladly oblige. If they ask me not to vape in their house, I'll begrudgingly oblige (even though it leaves no smell at all), but if they ask me not to vape in my car they can get out and walk
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E-cigs already are regulated though. This is another myth.
Every product that is legally sold in the UK is regulated because we have laws that cover products by default. The Trades Description Act prevent people lying about what is in the juice. The The Food Standards Act covers the flavourings. The laws which cover all pharmaceuticals prevent anyone from using 'dodgy' PG/VG. The nicotine is covered by COSHH and other current chemical legislation. The devices themselves are covered by all manner of legislation and as such are no more dangerous or unregulated than anything else electrical/battery operated.
These laws already exist. It is simply not true that people can just make e-juice filled with all kind of crap and sell it legally.
Just because there isn't a a regulation covering e-juice specifically, doesn't mean all the component parts aren't already covered under existing laws.
The only regulation I can think of you can argue for is an age limit for buying it, which I'd welcome but you'd be hard pressed to find an e-tailer that sells it to anyone under 18 and doesn't make this rule abundantly clear.
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