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Yep OK, I'll go along with that. Machine!!


I just wonder what difference in segment placing/times is required to go from 93.15 to 95.

Damian indicated weighting comes down to position/# riders. So getting ranked on segments with more riders will do more than bagging KOM's on segments only a handful of riders have ridden.

Honestly though it's just a throwaway figure I don't see it as a valuable metric. Still to many variables involved to make it a meaningful way of ranking you based on Strava population.
 
Honestly though it's just a throwaway figure I don't see it as a valuable metric. Still to many variables involved to make it a meaningful way of ranking you

Surely that's the same as Strava KOMs then? Too many variables involved.

The only real way to tell if you're faster than someone is to race against them.
 
Probably more meaningful than just numbers of KoMs, given how subjective some of those are.

I tend to find myself in the top quarter of people on the leaderboards. Higher on some, lower on others. So my 87 score or whatever seems pretty reasonable.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;24846961 said:
You don't want to enter the Etape. You want to enter the Marmotte.

I'm lining it up for my 40th in a couple of years.

Lanterne rouge times of ~14 hours. Reckon I could break that record, easy.
 
Maybe it is "more meaningful that just number of KOM's" but that still doesn't make it a useful metric.

Why not? It's a score based on your collective performance on your best stages. If you view it as just that, then of course it's meaningful. Maybe it appears less so because we're generally all scoring well, but hey, we're made up of quite a keen bunch of cyclists, so that shouldn't come as a great surprise.
 
And your veloviewer score is...

Entirely powered by cake obviously. I keep seeing segments where I've got practically the same time as skinny whippet climbers so I really want to get lighter and see how I compare when I'm in a similar weight bracket. My sweet tooth and complete lack of willpower has other ideas though.

I might have to take up TT'ing or track cycling where it's perfectly fine to be a chunk and stuff your face all day erry day.
 
Reading all these VV scores got me interested...

VeloViewer said:
Your VeloViewer score is a way to compare yourself against your peers. It is the average segment position score from your top 25% (max 100) of non-downhill segment.

More detail:

Position score - Each of your completed segments comes with a score, between 0 and 100, that represents your relative position based on the number of other athletes that have also ridden the segment. The higher the score the better!
Why not use placing? - Being 1st of 2 athletes isn't the same value as being 1st of 1,000. Equally being last of 2 athletes isn't anywhere near as bad as last of 1,000. The position score reflects how you stack up against others much better than your actual placing.
25% - Only your top 25% of scores (to a maximum of 100) are taken into consideration as I'm guessing you haven't visited the pain cave for the majority of your segments so we only want to include those where you have.
But we've got local pro's taking the top spots - Seeing as the score isn't based on actual positions then this should well balance out as if the area is good enough for lots of pro's to ride there, chances are there are a lot more non-pro riders too so giving the potential for higher relative scores.
But I'm an awesome downhiller! - I feel your pain but to comply with STRAVA API usage rules, flat or uphill only.
Good ways to improve your score could be:

Go for segments you've not ridden before to get your worse scores out of your top 25%.
Check out your segments where you score below you VeloViewer score but still within the top 25% and try and improve your placing.
Ride segments that have a higher number of athletes as the potential for a higher score is better, but then so is the potential for a lower score.
Get fitter!

VeloViewer Score
86.65
From 28 of 111 segments.
Maximum possible score: 98.85

Makes sense to improve base on this score than just trying to get KOM, not that'll matter as I always aim to beat a local fast rider (Lanky Wayne) who incidently is in my Rival list on VV!
 
Surely that's the same as Strava KOMs then? Too many variables involved.

The only real way to tell if you're faster than someone is to race against them.

I didn't say KOMs were a better metric. I don't think either are particularly great. We've seen the big discrepancy between results depending on device, day, GPS signal, rounding to the second etc etc. Therefore anything based on Strava should be taken at face value and a good measure of common sense.

As for racing someone, if they're of similar ability then you would need to race them several times. You may be faster on flats @ TT's, hills, a better descender etc so even that's not a great way to measure yourself.

Surely the best statistic is yourself and your own improvement/performance. And that of your peers. Not some guy who lives half way across the country/globe and rides in different climates/terrain etc etc.

Why not? It's a score based on your collective performance on your best stages. If you view it as just that, then of course it's meaningful. Maybe it appears less so because we're generally all scoring well, but hey, we're made up of quite a keen bunch of cyclists, so that shouldn't come as a great surprise.

A fair unbiased and non skewed ranking system for the global Strava population. I don't know what you know about statistics but think about that.
 
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VeloViewer Score
96.06 ?
From 55 of 219 segments.

so I'm not as slow as I thought I would be compared to you skinny beasts.. ;)
 
[Damien];24847475 said:
Entirely powered by cake obviously. I keep seeing segments where I've got practically the same time as skinny whippet climbers so I really want to get lighter and see how I compare when I'm in a similar weight bracket. My sweet tooth and complete lack of willpower has other ideas though.

I might have to take up TT'ing or track cycling where it's perfectly fine to be a chunk and stuff your face all day erry day.
You could always do what I did.

For a long time I was hovering around the 70-75KG mark (whilst lifting heavy weights admittedly). Then took up ultra running and got down to about 68KG. Then, after wanting to lose weight for cycling and running trying to control my diet and failing, contracted a virus after diving in Tanzania for 3 weeks, and ****/vomited myself down to 60KGs. I'm now up to 65KGs, whilst lifting twice a week (for strength and power rather than weight) and eating (almost) whatever the hell I want.

I might patent it and call it the Tanzavomit diet.
 
[Damien];24847475 said:
Entirely powered by cake obviously. I keep seeing segments where I've got practically the same time as skinny whippet climbers so I really want to get lighter and see how I compare when I'm in a similar weight bracket. My sweet tooth and complete lack of willpower has other ideas though.

I might have to take up TT'ing or track cycling where it's perfectly fine to be a chunk and stuff your face all day erry day.
Losing weight would certainly help but it's not just about weight. Power to weight ratio, and the time that you can hold that power is more important. I'm a fairly good climber and have lots of hill KOMs and i'm not particularly light at around 82kg.
Annoyingly though, i'm not a great TTer and terrible at sprinting :(

uniQ said:
As for racing someone, if they're of similar ability then you would need to race them several times. You may be faster on flats @ TT's, hills, a better descender etc so even that's not a great way to measure yourself.
True, racing (especially bunch racing) has a lot of variables as well but racing in the same place at the same time removes some of the variables that Strava leaderboards have (weather, wind, traffic, junctions, traffic lights, etc)
 
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Seriously thinking about the Canyon CF SL in black instead of an R3 now.

For £200 more than an R3 frameset you get a complete bike under 7KG with 11sp Ultegra and a £450ish wheelset.

I could probably get the CF SL & the Inflight CX (or stages power meter) for less than a built up R3. Ack
 
Seriously thinking about the Canyon CF SL in black instead of an R3 now.

For £200 more than an R3 frameset you get a complete bike under 7KG with 11sp Ultegra and a £450ish wheelset.

I could probably get the CF SL & the Inflight CX (or stages power meter) for less than a built up R3. Ack

I'm not sure how they manage to make any profits from that.. rims alone are 1k.. :o epic value for money that.
 
Bike light time of year people. Does anyone here opt for the mounted torch option? It seems like it could be far cheaper than buying a dedicated bike light. Any advice I could be given for a light /torch around the £50 mark that will enable me to see when I hit areas that aren't well lit from streetlamps?
 
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