Having a heated debate: Is it worth it to start bitcoin mining in Aug 2013?

No. ASIC mining chips get used by companies such as butteryfly labs to rake them in and they will take your money for a pre order and you can wait months (to years?) for an order to come through. By that time the difficulty factor is through the roof.

As a currency tho I am watching it closely. I like the idea.
 
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As mentioned further up, litecoin is perhaps something to look into. Bitcoin used to be $2 a unit back in time (presumably less at some point, I don't fully understand it), and now it's $130-140 a unit. If you happened to buy a load at a low price you would be laughing at how this 'made up' currency has made you rich :p

If litecoin gets the backing that bitcoin has it may be worth jumping on now.
 
I've just turned off my GPU mining rig today, was abit sad to do but the running costs are getting dangerously close to outwaying the coin mined. Keeping on with the SHA-256 but purchased shares so i dont have any running costs. GPU mining now and even USB asics etc are not worth the electricity and cost of purchase anymore, some of the FPGA units and new BFL gear, like the new 600gh/s cards are still worth getting. Im going to order some blades but only because i know i will miss having something to play with now im not scrypt mining right now. I enjoy bouncing around pools and alt coins to try and increase the profits
 
I think the ship has sailed with Bitcoin mining, but there is still money to be made in inter-market trading (With a decent sized investment).
 
[FnG]magnolia;24862448 said:
It is not more valuable than ever. The only threat is to the idiots still doing it 4 years after there genuinely was money to be made.

There's still is money to be made, you just need money to buy some graphics cards first.
 
Its a volatile currency at the best of times. It could easily completely wipe out tomorrow or double in value over a few days.
 
Just out of interest, how much money do you think my PC could make with bitcoin or the various equivalents? I wouldn't want it running all the time, but perhaps if I'm out I could leave the PC to mine away, so a 'money made per hour of mining' figure would be great. The main reason I ask is because I don't pay the electric bill in the accommodation I'm moving into so that will probably make the running costs virtually nothing.
 
Just out of interest, how much money do you think my PC could make with bitcoin or the various equivalents? I wouldn't want it running all the time, but perhaps if I'm out I could leave the PC to mine away, so a 'money made per hour of mining' figure would be great. The main reason I ask is because I don't pay the electric bill in the accommodation I'm moving into so that will probably make the running costs virtually nothing.

AMD cards are far, far superior for mining, so with Nvidia you won't get nearly as much money, and probably won't make profit on the electricity.

With a 460 with Cudaminer, you should get 100-110khash/second according to this:
http://litecoin.info/Mining_Hardware_Comparison#Nvidia_GPUs

And with this calculator, at the current difficulty, you should get about $7 per month with Litecoin, if it was on 24/7. You would be losing money with this.
https://www.litecoinpool.org/calc?hashrate=100&difficulty=1102.3148011

As a comparison, with a 7950, getting 650kh/s, you might end up getting $45 per month, not taking into account electricity.

I have a feeling, with a single card, you wouldn't be making profit with Litecoin in electricity anymore. It would be better to use other coins and change for the most profitable.
 
This thread is funny as a lot of people are commenting when they have no idea wha they are talking about. A bit coin is a tradeable instrument. It's like me starting a thread to ask should I buy Vodafone or BP shares. The truth is, no one knows and can answer that for you reliably as they don't know what the market will so. Will BP have another deep water disaster or will be Vodafone be approached for another take over. A lot can happen in a short space of time both positively and negatively.

I know nothing about bitcoins but its the same as any other instrument whether it be gold, an equity or a cow. Specifically for bitcoins you need to ask yourself how long it would take to mine a bitcoin, how much it would cost to mine a bitcoin at today's prices as well as a market value down to 50%+ of its current value and how much a good return is to YOU. Everyone's perception of risk and reward is very different, you can't just reply "no it's not worth it".
 
If you have an existing AMD GPU, work out your electricity cost and the hashrate. Use that to see if you will be in profit, if so, join a mining pool.


However, for any other situation, the answer is currently no. UNLESS, you can get a first batch of a new ASIC.

The hashrate of the network is experiencing exponential growth at the moment, block discovery time is down to around 5 minutes, when it should be 10 minutes.

This time next year, the ASIC market should have stabilised somewhat, but at the moment, its next to impossible to make a prediction longer term than a month - and ASIC delivery times are longer than that.
 
This thread is funny as a lot of people are commenting when they have no idea wha they are talking about. A bit coin is a tradeable instrument. It's like me starting a thread to ask should I buy Vodafone or BP shares. The truth is, no one knows and can answer that for you reliably as they don't know what the market will so. Will BP have another deep water disaster or will be Vodafone be approached for another take over. A lot can happen in a short space of time both positively and negatively.

I know nothing about bitcoins but its the same as any other instrument whether it be gold, an equity or a cow. Specifically for bitcoins you need to ask yourself how long it would take to mine a bitcoin, how much it would cost to mine a bitcoin at today's prices as well as a market value down to 50%+ of its current value and how much a good return is to YOU. Everyone's perception of risk and reward is very different, you can't just reply "no it's not worth it".

As it stands it is in no way "worth it" to mine bitcoins. With my setup I would mine around $50 worth of BTC running 24/7 for 30 days. Thats around £30. Would lose a fair amount of money doing that.

Litecoin mining I'm making around £45 a month, but the recent difficulty increase affected that a lot. Im going to keep mining because wont be long till its assisting with heating and if the value of LTC / BTC goes while I'm holding the coins it can make a big difference.
 
LTC got it's own silk road marketplace so if that takes off they might go up in value.

I only ever see bitcoin staying stable or falling
 
If bitcoin mining was worth it, why would all these companies making custom bitcoin miners be selling them, not keeping them?

Selling them helps clear the debt incurred from the start up costs, and allows for greater reinvestment - the market is anything but stable. Basically its more profitable to sell.
 
If bitcoin mining was worth it, why would all these companies making custom bitcoin miners be selling them, not keeping them?
most of them are or were :D

everyone orders them.
companies delay orders and most people wouldn't get there's for something stupid like 9 months
hashrate for coins jumped up massively as did the difficulty so it was obvious they were just slowing orders down and raking in the bitcoins
 
fMy rig was running around £7 a day in electricity, hence why I turned it off yesterday! The coin profit isn't worth my time plus electric costs. Better off smoking some pole on the street corner if you want to make a quick 50 notes with minimal investment providing you have a close shave and already own denim hot-pants and some high heels!

I put in a few K on 7970 GPU rigs as an addition to the SHA-256 mining gear that's already paid for itself. Luckily I managed to sell the GPUs for decent coin so overall, I've walked out of that in profit :) .
People need to remember that these items are just tools, and if the tools are *** Dont Swear! *** - Will Gill, its time to upgrade or bail.

Its not worth it unless you are prepared to lay out large amounts of money and/or have electricity included in your rent, providing your landlord doesn't see the 3kW spike! If you want to make fast money, see my above recommendation, or you should have purchased BTC at £66 a coin in the last month and sold it when it temp broke £100 a coin... That would be a better way to spend your money for quick very good % profits! I know, I did...

Perhaps spend more time reading charts, learning about the 'currency' you are dealing with and learn to trade efficiently with coin you have mined. I mine my coin, meaning my final LTC value is/was ~26%-27% cheaper including all expenses and depreciation of kit, so when I trade with it (including charges) You can make a better profit.

So my £66.68 per BTC, I purchased the majority of my BTC in mined LTC, which was reduced rate ~31%-35% (off top of my head) so could make a better margin. Obviously now I've turned the GPUs off, but with the difficulties and seeing people move 3 phase GPU rigs and solar setups from SHA-256 onto Scrypt, it wont be long before GPU mining doesn't cover the energy bills. Hence turning off early to make better return on the kit, which I will/have for the most part reinvested in other things (shares).

My only advice is ONLY INVEST WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOOSE and do the math. Which is applicable for everything (other than gold, but that's a whole other case!) Simple equation to work out your profit/return of/on investment: ROI %=(Net/Inv)x100
Net=Net profit. Inv=Investment. Remember to include kit depreciation over length of time you plan to keep the kit in the investment total e.g. if it costs 5000 and you sell for 3000 and you owned for 6 months, then your depreciation is 2000/6 providing you do monthly figures. Also you need to include ALL running costs; electricity etc including your time (time is not free unless your on benefits! think about it...) into your total investment.

Remember, the difficulty is constantly rising, so read the graphs and charts to calculate your own estimates to calculate your profitability. Forget final values, its all about the percentages. If you make 80% on your investment, then you have done very well, regardless of the physical value, its all relative, and don't forget to include inflation rates. If you make 3% on your investment, that's also good! But I don't know how many fingers peeps have in how many pies etc and what investment gains you want is up to you... If you want a high ROI maybe look elsewhere if your not prepared to make it really work for you.

IMO we're not going to see overnight millionaires again for a long long time with alt coins unless you stink down £40k on 10x 600gh/s BFL monarch's first pre-orders (if you think they will deliver) and play the market with every coin you mine...

Safe
 
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