Poll: Which Next Gen Console will you buy? - Final version (honest!)
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I'd be interested to hear from. Someone who genuinely understands (i.e. Didn't read it on Neogaf 
) how some of the newer architecture info (and rumours) could effect XO relative performance.
1.75GHz Proc vs 1.6GHz (best guess)
Highly optimized bespoke hUMA implementation
Any potential optimised DirectX performance vs Open GL
50% faster HSA bus (30GBs vs "almost 20GBs)
Any performance gains (unlikely but hey) from the XO dedicated sound proc.
I know some is rumour and we may not know until we see stuff. I thought it might make an interesting piece of discussion as we all know all up performance depends on a well rounded architecture and optimised drivers/API as much as brute force GPU, and lets face it, the memory/GPU thing has been done to death.
Lets try and avoid PS4 is imba rants for a bit and see if we can get a genuinely even handed all up view from some of the incredably smart members here.
) how some of the newer architecture info (and rumours) could effect XO relative performance.1.75GHz Proc vs 1.6GHz (best guess)
Highly optimized bespoke hUMA implementation
Any potential optimised DirectX performance vs Open GL
50% faster HSA bus (30GBs vs "almost 20GBs)
Any performance gains (unlikely but hey) from the XO dedicated sound proc.
I know some is rumour and we may not know until we see stuff. I thought it might make an interesting piece of discussion as we all know all up performance depends on a well rounded architecture and optimised drivers/API as much as brute force GPU, and lets face it, the memory/GPU thing has been done to death.
Lets try and avoid PS4 is imba rants for a bit and see if we can get a genuinely even handed all up view from some of the incredably smart members here.
I'd be interested to hear from. Someone who genuinely understands (i.e. Didn't read it on Neogaf
1.75GHz Proc vs 1.6GHz (best guess)
Highly optimized bespoke hUMA implementation
Any potential optimised DirectX performance vs Open GL
50% faster HSA bus (30GBs vs "almost 20GBs)
Any performance gains (unlikely but hey) from the XO dedicated sound proc.
I know some is rumour and we may not know until we see stuff. I thought it might make an interesting piece of discussion as we all know all up performance depends on a well rounded architecture and optimised drivers/API as much as brute force GPU, and lets face it, the memory/GPU thing has been done to death.
Lets try and avoid PS4 is imba rants for a bit and see if we can get a genuinely even handed all up view from some of the incredably smart members here.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15
Have fun
I'd be interested to hear from. Someone who genuinely understands (i.e. Didn't read it on Neogaf
1.75GHz Proc vs 1.6GHz (best guess)
Highly optimized bespoke hUMA implementation
Any potential optimised DirectX performance vs Open GL
50% faster HSA bus (30GBs vs "almost 20GBs)
Any performance gains (unlikely but hey) from the XO dedicated sound proc.
I know some is rumour and we may not know until we see stuff. I thought it might make an interesting piece of discussion as we all know all up performance depends on a well rounded architecture and optimised drivers/API as much as brute force GPU, and lets face it, the memory/GPU thing has been done to death.
Lets try and avoid PS4 is imba rants for a bit and see if we can get a genuinely even handed all up view from some of the incredably smart members here.
i'm not very tech savvy but i was reading the msn website on break yesterday and it said that a large part of the ps4's ddr ram will be used by the psn and that x-box/microsoft may utilise it's cloud to 'boost' the xbox one if necessary at times.
like i said, i'm not tech savvy so i'm not even sure if it relates in anyway to your question, or if i even read the msn review correctly
The majority of XBox 360 users who decided to jump ship and go for the PS4 did so because of the proposed DRM measures including restricting trading of 2nd hand games (As in charging for additional licence keys)from Microsoft or 3rd party publishers.
Microsoft backtracked and decided to drop these measures and threw in a free game to entice users back in a move that seems to have worked for them as more preorders have been placed for the XBox One.
However I am pretty sure that MS announced that they will try to re-implement these DRM measures later in the Consoles Life?
As discussed in this article -
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/...ft-surprised-by-negative-reaction-to-drm.html
So really all it's taken for MS to get the majority of its customers back seems to be the temporary removal of its DRM and restrictions and also the inclusion of a free game.
Good luck with that I will stick with the PS4 thanks.
Microsoft backtracked and decided to drop these measures and threw in a free game to entice users back in a move that seems to have worked for them as more preorders have been placed for the XBox One.
However I am pretty sure that MS announced that they will try to re-implement these DRM measures later in the Consoles Life?
As discussed in this article -
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/...ft-surprised-by-negative-reaction-to-drm.html
So really all it's taken for MS to get the majority of its customers back seems to be the temporary removal of its DRM and restrictions and also the inclusion of a free game.
Good luck with that I will stick with the PS4 thanks.
I did have a PS4 on pre-order, but after the initial hype died down I got focussed on the games - I realised there wasn't that much there that interested me. Cancelled pre-order.
Looked at the XB1 - better launch games but still not ticking my boxes.
Bought Wii U - very happy with it. Wanted one for ages but was reluctant till the software started to flow properly.
Not really sure what I'll do now - the Wii U is 100% staying but I just don't know whether I'll be buying PS4 or XB1 to accompany it. If I was to predict myself I'd say it'd be PS4 over XB1 but I can't see me being tempted into buying until perhaps Feb/March when the games really start to flow.
Maybe a PS4. Maybe.
Looked at the XB1 - better launch games but still not ticking my boxes.
Bought Wii U - very happy with it. Wanted one for ages but was reluctant till the software started to flow properly.
Not really sure what I'll do now - the Wii U is 100% staying but I just don't know whether I'll be buying PS4 or XB1 to accompany it. If I was to predict myself I'd say it'd be PS4 over XB1 but I can't see me being tempted into buying until perhaps Feb/March when the games really start to flow.
Maybe a PS4. Maybe.
It's a good link and yeah, I know there's stuff elsewhere, but I figured we've got some really smart members here who have an informed opinion and it might be nice to see if as gamers we could have a civil discussion objectively around the all up aspects of the two consoles architecture rather than grumpy rants. I highlighted some of the newer potential XO advantages to kick off the discussion as I think we're all well aware of the potential for PS4s enhanced GPU and DDR5, and I don't doubt PS4 looks to have more bare horsepower. It might however be interesting to hypothesise if some of the other areas might make the end result a little more even (or not) in particular as people look to make decisions as launch gets closer. This is a tech enthusiasts forum after all and I'm sure as a group we can form some even handed informed opinion. It'd be nice for other forums to refer to us/here for a change no?
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Did you even read the article you linked to? It quite clearly states that MS will look to bring some features back in the future, but it didn't specify what features they exactly were (beyond digital trading and family sharing). And nothing in the article is actually wrong. Console gaming will go all digital eventually, you can't argue that.
Wouldnt bother with places like beyond3d, to may people on that site with vested interest/fanboys spreadinf FUD and mis-information, i always think its best just to look at developer talks/slides and work it out for yourself. http://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vault/gdceurope2013/Presentations/825424RichardStenson.pdf has some good info about the PS4.
Not sure if we will ever know/understand how much if any differences in the specs until we can compare like for like games and what 1st party devs get out of the system.
So far we have only really seen/ heard about PS4 versions of multiplatform games, or XB1 excluives, not both console versions of the same game.
Not sure if we will ever know/understand how much if any differences in the specs until we can compare like for like games and what 1st party devs get out of the system.
So far we have only really seen/ heard about PS4 versions of multiplatform games, or XB1 excluives, not both console versions of the same game.
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it will go all digital eventually, but as long as they are putting disc drives on the front on the machine i want to do what i like with my games i put into them
if they want to go all digital, bring out one with no drive slot and fair enough i'll take the hit
if they want to go all digital, bring out one with no drive slot and fair enough i'll take the hit
I'd be interested to hear from. Someone who genuinely understands (i.e. Didn't read it on Neogaf
1.75GHz Proc vs 1.6GHz (best guess)
Highly optimized bespoke hUMA implementation
Any potential optimised DirectX performance vs Open GL
50% faster HSA bus (30GBs vs "almost 20GBs)
Any performance gains (unlikely but hey) from the XO dedicated sound proc.
I know some is rumour and we may not know until we see stuff. I thought it might make an interesting piece of discussion as we all know all up performance depends on a well rounded architecture and optimised drivers/API as much as brute force GPU, and lets face it, the memory/GPU thing has been done to death.
Lets try and avoid PS4 is imba rants for a bit and see if we can get a genuinely even handed all up view from some of the incredably smart members here.
The only people who can really provide that information reliably are the ones who are NDA'd to the eyeballs.
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Even looking at those improvements for the Xbox One I would still put the PS4 as the more powerful console, but as we all know it's not always down to the raw numbers. Bottlenecks could appear in the system somewhere due to the design of the console, some unforeseen hitch that slows the console down ever so slightly.I'd be interested to hear from. Someone who genuinely understands (i.e. Didn't read it on Neogaf
1.75GHz Proc vs 1.6GHz (best guess)
Highly optimized bespoke hUMA implementation
Any potential optimised DirectX performance vs Open GL
50% faster HSA bus (30GBs vs "almost 20GBs)
Any performance gains (unlikely but hey) from the XO dedicated sound proc.
I know some is rumour and we may not know until we see stuff. I thought it might make an interesting piece of discussion as we all know all up performance depends on a well rounded architecture and optimised drivers/API as much as brute force GPU, and lets face it, the memory/GPU thing has been done to death.
Lets try and avoid PS4 is imba rants for a bit and see if we can get a genuinely even handed all up view from some of the incredably smart members here.
I read a quote from Alberto Penello from MS last night that went along with this...
Taken from http://www.gamechup.com/xbox-one-has-a-balanced-architecture-less-bottlenecks-penello/
Obviously he's going to say things like that as he can't come out and say "yeah, the PS4 is more powerful", but the point he makes is a correct one. A well designed system that gets the most out of every component can often match or beat a system that's not quite so well optimised, even with faster components.
Like we've all said, I think we'll only know for sure when the major sites start running the comparisons when both consoles are released in November.
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While the console developers want to try and dominate the living room area, they'll always have an optical drive so you can watch BluRays and the like.
Exactly
Music Playing / Phone Gaming / tablet gaming / PC gaming / movie rental / have all gone largely digital.
Console gaming will follow eventually.
We heard exactly the same comments when steam came out on the PC. I can guarantee you will be in a very small minority if you still hold that view in a few years time.
The thing is it seems the PS4 looks to be better designed and is looks to be easier for devs to get the best out of it sooner. The fact that unlike the XB1 the PS4 full memory pool can be accessed at full speed by all components at the same time without having to use move/shape engines and limited to 32mb high speed memory, prob gives PS4 a head start.
Surely we'll eventually just stream them or download them.
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Quite possibly, I tend not to go into the technicals too much, I just care that it runs the games I want
I did hear though that MS have a feature where developers can take more than the allocated 5GB ram if they need to, all the way up to 7.5GB I think it was. I'll try to find a link for it, as I'm sure I didn't dream it!