Speeding :(

Cuchulain said:
At the top of a mountain in the middle of nowhere with not a single car on the road, I'm inclined to agree with you but we can't pick and choose what laws we abide by.
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The argument against your example (I know you're in support of the law) is that there are still people who need to pick up the pieces in the event of an accident. Paramedics, Coroners, Police Officers etc.

My biggest issue is that speed is the byproduct of what 'kills', not the cause.
Alcohol, drugs, inattention, driving a non-roadworthy vehicle, poor training, health issues (poor judgement), cyclists, animals, pedestrians, motorbike riders, unsecured loads, ad infinitum. They are what cause road traffic incidents and in some cases, cause people to speed.
 
Think I was 39 in a non residential 30.tbh I was surprised I got to that by the time the camera struck

got a course
 
Concrete said:
Out of interest, has anyone on the forum been done for speeding on the M40? Never seems to be any police presence and I would say the average speed is substantially over 70.
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I can attest to that!, I'll be doing 80 in the left lane and more often than not i'm the slowest. I use it to avoid the congested camera laden M1/M25 sometimes so i guess a lot of others have the same idea.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Theres a dual carriageway near me thats a 30. Since its double lane you'd never in a million years think its a 30, but thats what the signs say.

The limits aren't always appriopriate for the road, but thats no excuse for not following them
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There's one of these near where I live too and the amount of angry drivers I have driving right on my tail and flashing their lights when I'm doing just over 30 is annoying as hell.
 

OK in a built up area, if someone lives near it I assume it's in a built up area,

Edited to say, if the speed limit is not 30MPH on a dual carriage way it must be signed posted with reminder signs every 500 meters or so.
 
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Use street lights as an indicator, if there's street lights, it's considered 'built up'. If it's a lit road, then there will be speed signs if any speed above/below 30mph.
 
Mr Jones said:
Use street lights as an indicator, if there's street lights, it's considered 'built up'. If it's a lit road, then there will be speed signs if any speed above/below 30mph.
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Yeah, that's what they told us in the speed awareness course, also if there is a pavement.
 
How come the built in Navs with Audi/BMW etc don't have the speed camera warnings?

That's one of the reasons I didn't bother with the Nav in my car. I just use my Tom Tom when I'm driving in an unknown area and balance it in the drinks cup holders. The beep is all I need to warn me of upcoming cameras. It works an absolute treat because sometimes they are well hidden.
 
Barks said:
How come the built in Navs with Audi/BMW etc don't have the speed camera warnings?

That's one of the reasons I didn't bother with the Nav in my car. I just use my Tom Tom when I'm driving in an unknown area and balance it in the drinks cup holders. The beep is all I need to warn me of upcoming cameras. It works an absolute treat because sometimes they are well hidden.
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Car manufacturers don't want to be seen to be helping people speed and not get caught. It's silly, as if the cameras are there for safety reasons, then knowing where they are is an alert to a dangerous place.

Maybe they just don't want to have to deal with updates, subscriptions, etc and who would be paying for it as an on-going service.

Seems weird that you can get exactly that from Garmin, Tom-tom, and every other sat-nav manufacturer.
 
I wouldn't bother but councils quite often deliberately and strategically put them in places which are more likely to catch people. At the bottom of a slope, right after coming from an NSL to a 30mph, I've even seen one on a slip road before etc.
 
Steampunk said:
Car manufacturers don't want to be seen to be helping people speed and not get caught. It's silly, as if the cameras are there for safety reasons, then knowing where they are is an alert to a dangerous place.

Maybe they just don't want to have to deal with updates, subscriptions, etc and who would be paying for it as an on-going service.

Seems weird that you can get exactly that from Garmin, Tom-tom, and every other sat-nav manufacturer.
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also , for example france, don't allow you to have nav equipment that informs you of the location of speed traps so probably not included for this reason also?
 
Sasso said:
also , for example france, don't allow you to have nav equipment that informs you of the location of speed traps so probably not included for this reason also?
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Yes, but I know that Garmin are still allowed to show the general stretch of road where there is a camera. I think it's something like a mile on a normal road, and a couple of miles on a motorway where there is a camera.

So you can still get the speed limits when driving in France, but you only get a general idea of where the cameras are located.

In the same way that people see a camera and look down at their speedo (therefore making sure they're not navigating a dangerous bit of road safely) or stand on their brakes (therefore making an accident more likely), I suspect that people just drive around looking for cameras instead of where they are driving.
 
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