9/11 crap again, what do you think?

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Anyone who says it wasn't an inside job is completely and utterly blind. This may be largely due to the portrayal of the bought and paid for mainstream media.

On the positive side, the majority of Americans are starting to wake up. 84% now reject the official story.

The following video explores the motives behind the attack -

 
I'm not sure if some of the replies in this are real, or people deliberately trolling in very bad taste.

phil, if you're being serious consider the fact that aircraft (especially large passenger jets) are often largely computer assisted to make things smoother/limit stresses etc, and tend to turn/change direction fairly slowly and very smoothly (it's a major design feature of them*, not to mention basic physics when dealing with something that weighs that much sort of controls how they react).


*Indeed to make modern fighters responsive to fast turns they have to play around with all sorts of things that are both far more complicated than you'd find on passenger jets, and highly undesirable on a non military aircraft (for example some modern fighters are practically on the verge of going out of control without active computer assistance to make lots of small, very fast changes in control surfaces).
 
gillywibble said:
On the positive side, the majority of Americans are starting to wake up. 84% now reject the official story.
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As do most of the rest of the world but the UK is one weird ass place today. You would believe we are smart and cant trust politicians which is true right? We know the papers lie which is true ? Yes..

But if its on TV from the BBC.. must be true folks.

The average UK citizen is more closed off to independent thought than in practically any other European country totally blinkered through a selfish drive to satisfy themselves with bread and circuses.

a ****less indigenous population in general deserving of the police state that is now in place.

A political dust bowl and the reason we stare gormless at the EU taking over and marginalizing our nation
 
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Werewolf said:
I'm not sure if some of the replies in this are real, or people deliberately trolling in very bad taste.

phil, if you're being serious consider the fact that aircraft (especially large passenger jets) are often largely computer assisted to make things smoother/limit stresses etc, and tend to turn/change direction fairly slowly and very smoothly (it's a major design feature of them*, not to mention basic physics when dealing with something that weighs that much sort of controls how they react).


*Indeed to make modern fighters responsive to fast turns they have to play around with all sorts of things that are both far more complicated than you'd find on passenger jets, and highly undesirable on a non military aircraft (for example some modern fighters are practically on the verge of going out of control without active computer assistance to make lots of small, very fast changes in control surfaces).
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its the rate of pitch and dive angle that is so perfect at that speed that confuses me :confused:


Serious question to all those who rage / smirk / laugh at those who don't believe the official 'story' :

What would it take for you (have a proper think not a quick quip) to believe it was a conspiracy as to say.. it was official proven that financiers conspired with big gov to carry out the attacks..

Fox? Official new government investigation, military paper release?
 
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kindai said:
Let me get the tinfoil out....
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Robbo said:
Garbage (as per).
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Amazes me how many people still think it's cool to be clueless or support the little creeps in power after everything that has happened in the last few years.

If you had come on here 10 years ago and said the government had full access to your calls, emails, that there were back doors into Microsoft Windows, that they monitor all traffic through the main Internet cables and fly drones over our cities, people would have called you a tin foil hat conspiracy nut.

Now that's all taken as okay and normal, but the idea the CIA is some how involved in Al Qaeda? Or getting a nice cut from the cartel runs? OMG! IMPOSSIBLE! After all how could the amazing US government lie or do anything bad right?

It's on record the CIA has been involved in many different operations involving Al Qaeda. Some pre-2001, so post. Who exactly do you think makes up the rebel group in Syria right this very moment (that the US is in full support of)? Wake up. Hell, who supplied Syria itself with chemical weapons material for over half a decade! Hint: the UK government.

I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, I just think it was a MASSIVE screw up of intelligence, of which no one was held accountable for in the proper way. What's for sure though is that they used the deaths of innocent civilians to launch 2 more wars which resulted in the deaths of thousands of times more innocent civilians, for what purpose? To keep the industrial military complex running at full steam and the people's attention drawn away from the real issues.

Not something to make fun of, nor something to be clueless about. The government is a representation of the people and it's time everyone stopped being so passive and compliant to this insanity
 
phill1978 said:
its the rate of pitch and dive angle that is so perfect at that speed that confuses me :confused:
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perfect compared to what?

I've seen professional pilots basically point out that the flight path was a sign of a poor pilot - IIRC it was manoeuvring right up to the last minute to hit the towers, if it was on a computer controlled course (such as the autopilot or whatever), you'd expect it to have to have got the line on it's target sorted well in advance rather than some fairly frantic (well for a passenger jet) last second corrections that still came close to missing such an obvious, well known, and easy to program for target.

A jet liner unless it's in really serious difficulties tends to have fairly nice, smooth turns and descent angles, it's designed very carefully to make those the default under most conditions when being piloted.
 
AdladUK said:
Amazes me how many people still think it's cool to be clueless or support the little creeps in power after everything that has happened in the last few years.

If you had come on here 10 years ago and said the government had full access to your calls, emails, that there were back doors into Microsoft Windows, that they monitor all traffic through the main Internet cables and fly drones over our cities, people would have called you a tin foil hat conspiracy nut.

Now that's all taken as okay and normal, but the idea the CIA is some how involved in Al Qaeda? Or getting a nice cut from the cartel runs? OMG! IMPOSSIBLE! After all how could the amazing US government lie or do anything bad right?

It's on record the CIA has been involved in many different operations involving Al Qaeda. Some pre-2001, so post. Who exactly do you think makes up the rebel group in Syria right this very moment (that the US is in full support of)? Wake up. Hell, who supplied Syria itself with chemical weapons material for over half a decade! Hint: the UK government.

I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, I just think it was a MASSIVE screw up of intelligence, of which no one was held accountable for in the proper way. What's for sure though is that they used the deaths of innocent civilians to launch 2 more wars which resulted in the deaths of thousands of times more innocent civilians, for what purpose? To keep the industrial military complex running at full steam and the people's attention drawn away from the real issues.

Not something to make fun of, nor something to be clueless about. The government is a representation of the people and it's time everyone stopped being so passive and compliant to this insanity
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If we want to talk about the airplanes on the wtc for a minute.

Airplanes can not travel at the speed it was said to be going at the altitude it was going as the airplanes are not built for it. It would literally start ripping apart.

The videos of airplane impact are fake because the plane enters the building without any deformations of structure or showing resistance. This proves that it is a video overlay of an airplane, not a real airplane. The plane can not enter the building from noes to tail without breaking apart, its goes against the laws of physics. It would be like shooting a coke can at high speed at a steel and concrete fence and expect it to end up the other side without any deformations, its impossible. The plane would hit the outside of the building and it would blow up. We don't see this in the videos. We see the plane enter the building from noes to tail. This is impossible.

All the other common arguments a side, like witnesses, the transponders and other "evidence". (as i can deal with those later, im not dismissing them). I am just bringing one specific argument to the table and that is the physics of a plane hitting a building. That does not prove that there was no planes or that witnesses did not see a plane. All it proves is that the planes we saw on the tv were not real planes, they were simply video graphics of a plane.

 
groen said:
If we want to talk about the airplanes on the wtc for a minute.

Airplanes can not travel at the speed it was said to be going at the altitude it was going as the airplanes are not built for it. It would literally start ripping apart.
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Actually do some research that isn't on conspiracy theoriuests BS sites.

Aircraft can do considerably higher than the normal "safe speed" for it's height, and IIRC the aircraft that hit the WTC towers were not that much above normal speeds.

IIRC most of the time the aircraft can do quite a bit higher than the "safe speed" if they are in good repair at the time, but it's not a great idea because the risk of something going wrong is increased, and often more importantly, the wear and tear on the aircraft is higher (thus you're costing the company more).
Not "it's going to fall apart the moment you go over this speed" wear and tear, but "the accountants aren't going to be happy that I've just cost the company several days worth of flying time whilst this is checked out" sort of wear and tear.

Remember things like "safe speeds" at low altitudes will likely be there because that's the safe speed for that point in a landing or take off...

747's aren't meant to do loop the loops either, but iirc it's fairly well known (if not from memory officially declared), that in one of the early private test/demo flights one of the test pilots worked out the stresses involved would not go above 1g and the safe height, and did one.

I despair of CT'ers at times, although i'm fairly sure some CT'ers on the internet are purely doing it for the troll factor and should be banned.
 
Well first who said it was the government? i don't think anyone ever said that. Plus the government is millions of people and 1000s of departments and thats not including all the contractors like Raytheon, star corporation, rand corporation and xe and so on.

Secondly democide is the name for governments killing people, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

Its estimated that governments killed 260 million people in the 20th century.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
 
groen said:
Well first who said it was the government? i don't think anyone ever said that. Plus the government is millions of people and 1000s of departments and thats not including all the contractors like Raytheon, star corporation, rand corporation and xe and so on.

Secondly democide is the name for governments killing people, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

Its estimated that governments killed 260 million people in the 20th century.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
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Looked at the name, its groen... didnt even bother reading
 
Werewolf said:
Actually do some research that isn't on conspiracy theoriuests BS sites.

Aircraft can do considerably higher than the normal "safe speed" for it's height, and IIRC the aircraft that hit the WTC towers were not that much above normal speeds.

IIRC most of the time the aircraft can do quite a bit higher than the "safe speed" if they are in good repair at the time, but it's not a great idea because the risk of something going wrong is increased, and often more importantly, the wear and tear on the aircraft is higher (thus you're costing the company more).
Not "it's going to fall apart the moment you go over this speed" wear and tear, but "the accountants aren't going to be happy that I've just cost the company several days worth of flying time whilst this is checked out" sort of wear and tear.

Remember things like "safe speeds" at low altitudes will likely be there because that's the safe speed for that point in a landing or take off...

747's aren't meant to do loop the loops either, but iirc it's fairly well known (if not from memory officially declared), that in one of the early private test/demo flights one of the test pilots worked out the stresses involved would not go above 1g and the safe height, and did one.

I despair of CT'ers at times, although i'm fairly sure some CT'ers on the internet are purely doing it for the troll factor and should be banned.
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I am not trolling.


The ua flight 175 was a Boeing 767. At altitude of 850 feet it can not go 450mph. It is simply not possible. We have boeing on record stating that it is not possible.

 
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