Until I can use to make payments that just charge onto my phone bill its pointless.
*** iPhone 5S/5C - September 10th ***
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Until I can use to make payments that just charge onto my phone bill its pointless.
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I'd rather have it associated with my credit card so that it's protected...
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I got my Passcode wrong 3 times in a row this morning, it's a sign!
Just finished watching the video.
Quite like this quote from Tim Cook near the end:
What he means is that Apple don't pack in long list of comprehensive features just so it looks more impressive on paper, but they're added for a reason.
For example, entering in my iTunes password is a PITA which is why it's shorter and simpler than the more complex and secure ones I usually use. Unfortunately, unless all your iOS devices have the fingerprint scanner it's only half-convenient. But then I don't like typing my password in on my phone in public - I don't take my iPad out of the house. So it's a moot point.
The new camera tech is definitely a plus. When you're out and about you want the best possible opportunity to capture a moment, as there's generally no second chances. I don't always have my DSLR handy so this is the next best thing, and faster to whip out on a whim.
I haven't used NFC much but I don't see it used in very many places still. I think, just like Apple, the technology needs time to mature in the market before jumping in to take advantage of it. Feel free to prove me wrong though. AirDrop feels better thought out as it has much longer range and it doesn't require bumping devices. The Bump app already does this and I don't find it that convenient.
Quite like this quote from Tim Cook near the end:
What he means is that Apple don't pack in long list of comprehensive features just so it looks more impressive on paper, but they're added for a reason.
For example, entering in my iTunes password is a PITA which is why it's shorter and simpler than the more complex and secure ones I usually use. Unfortunately, unless all your iOS devices have the fingerprint scanner it's only half-convenient. But then I don't like typing my password in on my phone in public - I don't take my iPad out of the house. So it's a moot point.
The new camera tech is definitely a plus. When you're out and about you want the best possible opportunity to capture a moment, as there's generally no second chances. I don't always have my DSLR handy so this is the next best thing, and faster to whip out on a whim.
I haven't used NFC much but I don't see it used in very many places still. I think, just like Apple, the technology needs time to mature in the market before jumping in to take advantage of it. Feel free to prove me wrong though. AirDrop feels better thought out as it has much longer range and it doesn't require bumping devices. The Bump app already does this and I don't find it that convenient.
And it doesn't work half the time.
The iPhone 5c would be tempting if the price is lower as it is it just doesn't offer much for its high price tag I'd rather get a HTC one for the same price. It still looks quite sleek though.
The 5s hmm I don't see the fingerprint scanner as that big a deal the dual flash camera should be interesting.
Other than that it is not a great deal different than the current iPhone.
But still a solid phone so I'm sure it'll sell well.
Personally I wouldn't buy one just not customisable enough and the screen is too small plus I don't like locked down software especially iTunes.
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People saying it's just a iPhone 5 with a fingerprint reader.
Well yes, and well no.
The iPhone 5 is just an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen.
The iPhone 4S is just an iPhone 4 with Siri
The iPhone 4 is just an iPhone 3GS with Retina
The iPhone 3GS is just ….. and so on and so on.
Mid cycle phones never seen a physical change, note 3 to 3GS and 4 to 4S, to think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention for the past 5 years. So with no physical change then you can't expect a bigger screen, and with no bigger screen then a lot of people (particularly Android users) won't be satisfied. So if you knew there won't be a bigger screen (one really should know 12 months ago when they released the 5) then to expect otherwise today can be construed as misguided. 6 is when there will be a new body redesign, if they don't then you really can be upset about the same screen size.
There has never been a body redesign mid cycle, and actually bringing out the 5C one can say they broke that trend. But generally, on the flagship model, yesterday's phone is as much as you can expect, if you expected more then you haven't been paying attention for the past 5 years.
I don't understand when people say they are underwhelmed with a phone. Are they looking for some breakthrough techology that is unheard of? It's a evolution, people seem to be looking for a revolution. The entire phone industry were going for big screen, high pixel camera, and bigger screen, and then bigger screen. One can argue that too is predictable, very predictable.
Well yes, and well no.
The iPhone 5 is just an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen.
The iPhone 4S is just an iPhone 4 with Siri
The iPhone 4 is just an iPhone 3GS with Retina
The iPhone 3GS is just ….. and so on and so on.
Mid cycle phones never seen a physical change, note 3 to 3GS and 4 to 4S, to think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention for the past 5 years. So with no physical change then you can't expect a bigger screen, and with no bigger screen then a lot of people (particularly Android users) won't be satisfied. So if you knew there won't be a bigger screen (one really should know 12 months ago when they released the 5) then to expect otherwise today can be construed as misguided. 6 is when there will be a new body redesign, if they don't then you really can be upset about the same screen size.
There has never been a body redesign mid cycle, and actually bringing out the 5C one can say they broke that trend. But generally, on the flagship model, yesterday's phone is as much as you can expect, if you expected more then you haven't been paying attention for the past 5 years.
I don't understand when people say they are underwhelmed with a phone. Are they looking for some breakthrough techology that is unheard of? It's a evolution, people seem to be looking for a revolution. The entire phone industry were going for big screen, high pixel camera, and bigger screen, and then bigger screen. One can argue that too is predictable, very predictable.
There were loads of people at my Uni who were stating they "cant wait until a company launch a 7" phone so i wont need a tablet anymore".
Screen size is starting to get rather silly.
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So far i have not seen any apple vs android. People have given some good points on why the new iphone is a bit of a dissapointment.
i personally think it is a dissapointment. i will take a look at iOS 7 and see if it has finaly updated the core UI of iOS. if it just just iOS 6 with a lick of paint then even the OS side of things is dissapointing.
Cant apple redesign the ui a bit? Add features that are not apparant in other os's?
i just feel apple will fail quite soon and everyone will jump to the next big thing whether thats samsung or not i do not know but no company stays on top forever. If apple want to stay on top they got to shake up the mobile industry and these devices and OS doesnt do that im afraid.
would you say the exact same thing if it was another company/brand?
The "space" grey myself. I doubt it will, I think they've learnt how to improve the process from the 5, and the susceptibility to dents is probably why they don't offer black anymore.
But what do you expect them to do? Not even just Apple, but any of the top manufacturers. What can they do that will truly revolutionise the mobile marketplace? People seem to expect utter ridiculousness that is simply not possible with the current technologies, hence why Apple are sticking to their guns and Samsung are just making the numbers bigger.
As for UI changes, is it really needed? Considering that iOS is more app-centric than the likes of Android, what can Apple do here other than what they have done? People cannot decide whether they want change or not, that's for sure.
As for Apple failing/falling, a lot of people simply want to stick with what they have, and for them, the iPhone offers a fantastic all-round package. I think it'll even out eventually (already has, quite frankly).
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Yes, because what I pointed out is the behaviour of a company, those are facts, and not an opinion. They have showed historically that what they do with great predictability, same as release dates cycles for their other products. Exceptions to updates/refresh do happen but few are far between.
I mean, what are the difference between a Galaxy S4 to a S3 to a S3 to a S1?
Apart from faster, more memory, bigger screen. What revolution happened in between each generations?
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Check out the OS. pretty great and has some cool changes in there.
Hardware is of course better in every way helping it for batter life, speed and productivity.
The Note3 does an even better job OS-wise making a stylus even more practical to use.
I dont understand why you may not be interested in better hardware though. You are a photographer and each new camera that comes out does exactly what samsung does ie increase FPS, pixels, AF points etc etc that is what samsung does and does more apparant then apple at this moment in time.
Look into the OS from samsung and the features they have pushed onto there customised version of Android to see they make larger upgrades to there OS then apple.
LOL@ the offline prices for both the 5S and 5C...they really do charge an absolute premium for their phones which i have always known. Jesus H Christ £600 for a 32gb iphone 5s and going up to £700 for a 64gb model
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The worst one is the 5C, isnt this meant to be the 'affordable' iphone for the masses??. Huge fail on pricing there, sure contract wise they probably will be cheap but offline prices??...complete, utter fail imho.
Meh i was looking forward to perhaps getting my mum the iphone 5C but offline, i dont do contracts anymore and never will as they arent worth it imho. But at £400 for the 16gb model?, Apple can go do one in all honesty..
.The worst one is the 5C, isnt this meant to be the 'affordable' iphone for the masses??. Huge fail on pricing there, sure contract wise they probably will be cheap but offline prices??...complete, utter fail imho.
Meh i was looking forward to perhaps getting my mum the iphone 5C but offline, i dont do contracts anymore and never will as they arent worth it imho. But at £400 for the 16gb model?, Apple can go do one in all honesty..
When Samsung released the Galaxy S3, people said "meh".
When Samsung released the Galaxy S4, people said "meh" (even more so).
There's nothing really different here. In use, the S4 isn't massively different to the S3. It's slow because it's loaded with bloatware. Your average person won't even know what flashing a custom ROM is, nevermind actually do it. So forget that as some kind of defensive point.
The OS is. And judging by your comparison between the original n95 and first iphone, You are quite interested in OS features and slickness.
The android OS is very slick and feature packed. Beats iOS is a lot of ways.
Cant judge an android device if you have not used it for a long time.
O and before you judge me, i use both an iphone 4s and a S4 android device
I bought an S4 a few weeks ago, as I fancied one. I don't think it's better than my iPhone 5 (at all), nor do I think Android is better.
I'll keep this short and sweet as I don't want this thread to be Apple v Android, as it always is, but these points need to be addressed. I prefer the iPhone 5 (and subsequently the 5S) because:
- It's faster at almost everything in real use
- It's more stable, and in my experience crashes occur far less frequently, you don't get to get rogue apps popping up that will flatten your battery
- The apps are better. I use Twitter a lot on my phone and there isn't a single Android Twitter app that is fit to lick the boots of TweetBot
- It's easier to handle due to the size, this is preference and could be a positive or a negative, I don't mind either way personally
- I like using iMessage and I like the integrated way it works, as most of my family have iPhones
Now of course, this won't apply to everyone, but it's very much all valid. I think iOS 7 is just as good as Android, yes it's directly less capable, but capability isn't everything. Things like widgets aren't generally of great importance, I found myself putting them there for the sake of it, rather than because they're actually useful.
LOL@ the offline prices for both the 5S and 5C...they really do charge an absolute premium for their phones which i have always known. Jesus H Christ £600 for a 32gb iphone 5s and going up to £700 for a 64gb model
The worst one is the 5C, isnt this meant to be the 'affordable' iphone for the masses??. Huge fail on pricing there, sure contract wise they probably will be cheap but offline prices??...complete, utter fail imho.
Meh i was looking forward to perhaps getting my mum the iphone 5C but offline, i dont do contracts anymore and never will as they arent worth it imho. But at £400 for the 16gb model?, Apple can go do one in all honesty..
It's an alternative, not a cheap model, the cheap thing was just a rumour. Obviously it hasn't panned out.
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There is always a need to change UI. everyone was perfectly happy with Nokia's UI in the likes of the N95 etc.
It just takes someone with balls to come up with a new UI design.
You should see the UI design for an app we are making. very refreshing.
Battery tech is a way that can revolutionalise a device for example. Screens can also be improved.
Imagine during outdoors the screen on a phone mimics the same quality screen as a normal kindle except in colour instead of black and white whilst maintaining smoothness and response on touch?
See i just threw another revolutionary idea because lets face it. You dont need to have a back lite screen outside during the day or even indoors when the lights are on.
This can save battery life dramatically and be easy on the eye to read.
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I think people just put the onus on Apple to always have something new up their sleeve every single product launch.
As I've said before, they took touch screens to mass market but I think we've reached the point where there isn't really a whole lot more one can do with a touch screen phone that hasn't been done already...
Nobody gets excited about desktop PCs any more because the keyboard/mouse/windows system hasn't really changed much in yonks - the only exciting thing I've seen lately is the Oculus Rift as a peripheral. Things like the Leap are interesting but I think motion control needs an OS built for it, rather than using it to manipulate an existing one.
They're about to make biometrics mass market and are no doubt laying the foundations down for future services/payments using it. It's only password/iTunes purchases to start with, but in a few years a hell of a lot of stuff will probably accept your Apple Touch ID, at least that's something.
I wouldn't say the Note 3 is a good comparison. It's an entirely different type of device, and some of the changes that can be made there are very specific to itself because the primary purpose of that device is a very different type of interaction.
The majority of the changes between the S, S2, S3, S4 are hardware changes, with software changes mainly being due to new Android versions, along with some new (and often questionable) features introduced by TouchWiz. Where is the "revolutionary" component there?
Constantly changing up the UI makes for an inconsistent experience in the long run. It's a bit like constantly changing the layout of our keyboards, or constantly changing the input devices we use. Surely this is obvious? You could also say it's part of the identity of the device, and it's what people want. Refreshing a dated UI is an entirely different matter, which is what Apple have done. So I disagree completely here.
The rest of the things you have mentioned are hardware technologies that we don't have the technology for yet, and the other OEMs aren't doing those things either. So why is it that only Apple are being targeted here? Surely you can say exactly the same thing about Samsung, LG, HTC, etc? None of them have made revolutionary hardware changes like those you have described.