Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [14 - 16th September 2013]

drunkenmaster said:
The thing is after seeing a replay later on, he blows right AFTER Altidore actually gets away from Sagna and that is what makes it a horrendous decision by the ref. Sometimes ref's blow too early and then the player gets away from a foul , but the ref didn't know he would get away. But here he blew the whistle just after Altidore shrugged him off and started towards the ball, there was no reason to blow the whistle then, either as he's being held(too early still but less bad) or once the player has gone beyond the foul you have to give at that point 3-4 seconds to see if an advantage develops. You can't blow after the player gets away but before the advantage, its 100% wrong to do it at that point.

I really can't see how it's not a red after the whistle is blown though, same as Luiz, he yanked someone down on the half way line, but it was what Mirallas and Mikel wasn't particularly close(only because of the holding did he get close to level but he was still 5-10 yards over and he's a much slower player than Mirallas. Without the holding Mirallas would have been clean away and Mikel zero chance of catching him.

The thing is, when you look at the replay for Sagna... what the hell was he doing, I just don't know, where is putting both arms around a player and not even looking at the ball a good idea. This wasn't a mistimed tackle or a sliding tackle where he may have gotten the ball, it was so blatant, so utterly stupid. This is why he isn't good CB cover, or a good fullback, he does utterly stupid things so consistently.... so does Kos. There is a reason why we still had at least 2/3rds of the way into last season the highest number of individual errors... a HUGE amount of luck last year meant we didn't concede but we were making the errors all season, awful errors.

Kos would make less errors with better defenders around him, but better defenders around him he certainly needs. Verm got a huge amount of unfair criticism in the last two years, a HUGE portion of his "mistakes" were because he was out of position covering for our other defenders huge blunders. It was his pace, quality and reading of the game that let him get in position to attempt to correct the others mistakes... blaming him for not being able to fix them all is so stupid. Really hope he can have a good uninjured year as I still think him and Kos can be a great partnership.
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Arsenal have the 2nd best defence in the league....... How Arsenal did not concede more last year i will never understand :D
 
I'm sick of seeing the opposition concede such an easy goal from Giroud every week.

Who would have thought that Chelsea, City and United after 4 games would be outside of the top 3 lol.
 
The finishing might be fairly straightforward but he's in the right place at the right time, which is what's required of a frontman.

Makeshift midfield yesterday (Flamini's second game with us, Ozil's first after only training with the team for a single day so far) - let's see how we look as a team once we have the XI we want to put out rather than the XI we currently have to. Our lack of depth in non-midfield areas will cost us for sure at some point, but hopefully we can do something about that in January.

Apparently Bendtner is fat and has a fair bit of fitness/conditioning work to do before he's ready for first team football, so I hope Giroud is okay!
 
Just seen the higlights of yesterday, seems like we're still struggling to score. Over 60% possession and the best we can muster is a penalty that wasn't a penalty and a freekick? Poor. Two great chances though for Van Persie and Young (set up by Rooney and Anderson) so the chances are there but we just aren't taking them. Didn't see much from Fellaini in the highlights, how did he play? Good weekend with our main rivals dropping points but again it feels like we're just being less bad rather than actually being any good at the moment.

Good to see Moyes calling Young out, I hope he's much tougher on him than Fergie was. Frankly we have the options that we should drop him and give someone else a go...perhaps we could even be desperate enough to play Kagawa?!? God forbid.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Sublime through ball for Giroud... the over reaching by both fans and the pundits for everything Ozil did has been embarrassing. He squared a ball for Giroud to slide in, it was done right, it wasn't poor, it was good but sublime... he passed a pretty simple ball across. The pundits every time Ozil picked out a ball that Nasri/Fabregas/Cazorla/Wilshire or even Song would have done had them harping on about the most creative player in Europe as if these passes aren't standard in all teams and certainly at Arsenal for years in pretty much every game. He was decent, it wasn't a brilliant debut, neither did I expect it to be.

Ramsey has finally actually started making runs into the box, quick movement is where and how Ramsey looked at his best when he first joined. I think he's fairly weak/poor defensively and when playing deeper but playing quick 1-2's and being fairly direct and running into the box he's always looked good. The problem is where everyone will play, I'd be extremely happy to see Walcott shown the door and mix in several of our attacking players. But with Wilshire/Santi/Ozil/Ramsey fit and ready to play how we line up will be interesting. The real issue is I don't think Ozil did anything Santi couldn't have done today at all. Ozil would be a HUGE upgrade on Walcott in the first 11, I think 90% of managers would drop Walcott and get Santi/Ozil/Podolski in there somewhere, Wenger...... the question I have with every big or new buy is... I know what our new best 11 is, but does Wenger and will we see it consistently.

I think Stoke might be a good test for Ozil in terms of physicality/fitness and I wait to see both how Ozil plays against the top 6-8 teams in the league and who we start in big games.

Can't help but point out the daft penalty and the extreme luck Arsenal had. I think the ref genuinely deserved a red card as Sagna didn't actually stop a goal scoring chance... he tried and failed then they scored and the ref prevented the goal scoring chance by blowing a whistle when the advantage was damn clear. Either way a blatant foul by Sagna and he was clearly the last man back with Altidore through on goal, how it's not a red card, and the same in the Chelsea game for a similar clearly last man back foul(albeit on the half way line) I don't know. Very poor refs today. Don't like Di Canio as a manager, or Sunderland as a club in general but it should have been 2-2 and down to 10 men and who knows what would happen then.

Stoke and Everton having great results today and such a late Brentford winner that I missed it completely and only noticed the result when I was looking through them all later :p
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Lol. This guy is never happy. How about for once just concentrate on the good rather than harping on about the bad? 90% of your posts consists of pointing out the negative.

It is easy to sit there and watch and analyse things after they have happened and critique. But to me it just sounds like they should change you username from DM to CaptainHindsight. lol :D

Come on man, you are a Arsenal supporter are you not! We are on the top the table, chill and enjoy ;)
 
Giroud's goals being scored from close range doesn't necessarily make them easy chances. Have another look at the way he got his goal against Spurs - pure class.

Shamikebab said:
Just seen the higlights of yesterday, seems like we're still struggling to score. Over 60% possession and the best we can muster is a penalty that wasn't a penalty and a freekick? Poor. Two great chances though for Van Persie and Young (set up by Rooney and Anderson) so the chances are there but we just aren't taking them. Didn't see much from Fellaini in the highlights, how did he play? Good weekend with our main rivals dropping points but again it feels like we're just being less bad rather than actually being any good at the moment.
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Fellaini was solid if not spectacular. He won a few headers, which the crowd seemed to like. Januzaj was the real star of the show, though. United were rubbish until he came on, adding a bit of guile and creativity cutting in from the left. You know, sort of like Kagawa.
 
Fulax said:
Giroud's goals being scored from close range doesn't necessarily make them easy chances. Have another look at the way he got his goal against Spurs - pure class.



Fellaini was solid if not spectacular. He won a few headers, which the crowd seemed to like. Januzaj was the real star of the show, though. United were rubbish until he came on, adding a bit of guile and creativity cutting in from the left. You know, sort of like Kagawa.
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The goal against spurs was a miskick. Please don't try and convince me that he intended to curl the ball round Lloris at the near post when the far post was a much easier finish. His movement was good for the goal though and I do think he will bang them in for Arsenal this season.
 
drunkenmaster said:
The thing is after seeing a replay later on, he blows right AFTER Altidore actually gets away from Sagna and that is what makes it a horrendous decision by the ref. Sometimes ref's blow too early and then the player gets away from a foul , but the ref didn't know he would get away. But here he blew the whistle just after Altidore shrugged him off and started towards the ball, there was no reason to blow the whistle then, either as he's being held(too early still but less bad) or once the player has gone beyond the foul you have to give at that point 3-4 seconds to see if an advantage develops. You can't blow after the player gets away but before the advantage, its 100% wrong to do it at that point.

I really can't see how it's not a red after the whistle is blown though, same as Luiz, he yanked someone down on the half way line, but it was what Mirallas and Mikel wasn't particularly close(only because of the holding did he get close to level but he was still 5-10 yards over and he's a much slower player than Mirallas. Without the holding Mirallas would have been clean away and Mikel zero chance of catching him.

The thing is, when you look at the replay for Sagna... what the hell was he doing, I just don't know, where is putting both arms around a player and not even looking at the ball a good idea. This wasn't a mistimed tackle or a sliding tackle where he may have gotten the ball, it was so blatant, so utterly stupid. This is why he isn't good CB cover, or a good fullback, he does utterly stupid things so consistently.... so does Kos. There is a reason why we still had at least 2/3rds of the way into last season the highest number of individual errors... a HUGE amount of luck last year meant we didn't concede but we were making the errors all season, awful errors.

Kos would make less errors with better defenders around him, but better defenders around him he certainly needs. Verm got a huge amount of unfair criticism in the last two years, a HUGE portion of his "mistakes" were because he was out of position covering for our other defenders huge blunders. It was his pace, quality and reading of the game that let him get in position to attempt to correct the others mistakes... blaming him for not being able to fix them all is so stupid. Really hope he can have a good uninjured year as I still think him and Kos can be a great partnership.
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Out of interest why do you even support Arsenal? When we win you criticise, you don't like any of the players and you just seem to be captain misery! Take a chill pill, relax, go outside or something... you must be a barrel of laughs in real life :p
 
TNA said:
Lol. This guy is never happy. How about for once just concentrate on the good rather than harping on about the bad? 90% of your posts consists of pointing out the negative.

It is easy to sit there and watch and analyse things after they have happened and critique. But to me it just sounds like they should change you username from DM to CaptainHindsight. lol :D

Come on man, you are a Arsenal supporter are you not! We are on the top the table, chill and enjoy ;)
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He's a secret spurs supporter, he is just here to try and wind up the Arsenal fans.

I hope his misses doesnt buy the lottery tickets..."Oh I see what you did wrong here you picked the wrong numbers...if you picked these instead we would have won...even a fool could have done that" :p

You got to love him...or block him ;)
 
Eriksen looks a steal for £11m, impressive debut from the young dane, wonderful first touch and vision. What a difference one player can make, could be the missing ingredient as we looked awful going forward against Arsenal the other week.
 
Chong Warrior said:
Eriksen looks a steal for £11m, impressive debut from the young dane, wonderful first touch and vision. What a difference one player can make, could be the missing ingredient as we looked awful going forward against Arsenal the other week.
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Or good investment for when RM come shopping again.

Surprised he went so cheap considering he was his record and experience. Young too.
 
bloodline76 said:
Or good investment for when RM come shopping again.

Surprised he went so cheap considering he was his record and experience. Young too.
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Nothing wrong with buying good players, turning them into better players and selling them for double, triple, ten-fold what you paid, it's a good business model for us atm. Spurs are at a disadvantage to the teams they're trying to beat. Chelsea and City are punching well above their weight for obvious reasons, Man Utd and Arsenal are several years of development in front of us, stadium size especially important.

Only team we're fighting on a fairly even footing is Liverpool and we've not only made up a million miles on them over the past 10 years we've actually slightly surpassed them, finishing above them in the Prem for the last 4 years running. We're at the point we can rival them in the transfer market and players are choosing Spurs over Liverpool, something most would have laughed at just 6 years ago.

If Spurs can keep playing the transfer market as smartly as they are and get this 60k seater stadium built, we can be even more competitive. Worked for Wenger (mostly)
 
bloodline76 said:
Good to see Verm back even if it was only for a few minutes at the end. I still rate him highly. And its great to have him back despite what people say
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Yep hasnt helped him much that hes been injured for quite some time and hasnt been at his best. But im hoping once he gets back to full fitness he can pick up where he left off from when he was being immense in defence.
 
Somnambulist said:
Apparently Bendtner is fat and has a fair bit of fitness/conditioning work to do before he's ready for first team football, so I hope Giroud is okay!
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I saw a pic of him a week or so and i was surprised at how much weight he has put on..hes definitely been eating all the pies:p

TNA said:
Lol. This guy is never happy. How about for once just concentrate on the good rather than harping on about the bad? 90% of your posts consists of pointing out the negative.

It is easy to sit there and watch and analyse things after they have happened and critique. But to me it just sounds like they should change you username from DM to CaptainHindsight. lol :D

Come on man, you are a Arsenal supporter are you not! We are on the top the table, chill and enjoy ;)
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LOL easy solution...ignore him. He likes to type out a huge post, picking out exactly where we are crap etc etc. Its the same ole crap day in day out with DM...its embarrassing as a fellow Arsenal fan to see him post the rubbish he does. Suppose Utd have the same in the running man aka NickG.



So Moyes has told Young to stop diving:p, about time someone told him to cut out the diving...hes as bad as Suarez :/
 
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TNA said:
Lol. This guy is never happy. How about for once just concentrate on the good rather than harping on about the bad? 90% of your posts consists of pointing out the negative.

It is easy to sit there and watch and analyse things after they have happened and critique. But to me it just sounds like they should change you username from DM to CaptainHindsight. lol :D

Come on man, you are a Arsenal supporter are you not! We are on the top the table, chill and enjoy ;)
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Like I said, Ozil had a single day to train with the squad, was sick the next day and he was pretty much thrown in the deep end due to Cazorla being out - so if we saw him below his best I look forward to seeing him at 100% with the rest of the team set up properly. Also Sagna... hopefully Mertesacker's dodgy Bratwerst will be out of his system by the next game. As long as Giroud is okay we'll be fine for the time being though.
 
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