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As I tried explaining above, I don't mind having everything in a game, however, when it isn't done correctly, it causes too many problems and therefore breaks the gameplay in other ways. IMO BF 3 wasn't "made" for jets or gunship, it just felt like an afterthought, much like the commo rose and a few other things, in other words it just felt like DICE thought "lets quickly add jets/gunship to make this game look even better" as lets be honest, when you had the jets & gunship in the trailers, it looks great just like all the other stuff on a massive scale.
Again, to clear what I mean, I now don't believe that the jet and AC130 are "overpowered", however, the other factors of the game i.e. spotting, map size, vehicle regen. etc. are contributing factors that make them appear overpowered, those things listed are the problems afaiac.
and to say that those were the only things that the majority complained about isn't true and you know fine well that, there are plenty of people who have brought up a huge number of issues i.e.
- blue filter
- ui
- suppression
- vehicle to infantry balance overall
- bugs (not so bad now)
- cheater situation for the first year or so
and the list just goes on and on.
If anything I would say the maps being too small or rather the flags being clustered together isn't anywhere as much of a complaint, when the game was first released yes it was but for the last year or whatever it hasn't been, you just have to look at how many CQ and metro only servers there are, if people didn't like small maps then why are they one of, if not the most played map(s)? Baring in mind that the majority of players are now max rank and probably unlocked all the guns and attachments that they wanted ages ago so they aren't playing them just to "level up".
For myself, the size of the maps and clustered together flags wasn't a problem, but the lack of cover from aircraft, most maps feeling and looking the same, majority being poorly designed are the bigger problems.
By skilled team, what do you mean? every seat occupied and them doing their jobs as they are suppose to i.e. someone watching out for jets etc. and nothing else?
The majority of youtubers don't seem to have any problems in their recent videos
It all comes down to the enemy team, if you have loads of guys with stingers etc. then it won't last long, generally they only do something about the gunship when they are getting raped by it...
And yeah I mean for rush mode, again DICE should have done what the majority wanted imo, which was to remove it from rush game mode completely.
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if DICE really wanted to make this a true BF game then they would remove the "easy mode features" such as spotting, damage indicator, health and vehicle regen. etc. IIRC BF 2 didn't have any of them except damage indicator?
Again, to clear what I mean, I now don't believe that the jet and AC130 are "overpowered", however, the other factors of the game i.e. spotting, map size, vehicle regen. etc. are contributing factors that make them appear overpowered, those things listed are the problems afaiac.
and to say that those were the only things that the majority complained about isn't true and you know fine well that, there are plenty of people who have brought up a huge number of issues i.e.
- blue filter
- ui
- suppression
- vehicle to infantry balance overall
- bugs (not so bad now)
- cheater situation for the first year or so
and the list just goes on and on.
If anything I would say the maps being too small or rather the flags being clustered together isn't anywhere as much of a complaint, when the game was first released yes it was but for the last year or whatever it hasn't been, you just have to look at how many CQ and metro only servers there are, if people didn't like small maps then why are they one of, if not the most played map(s)? Baring in mind that the majority of players are now max rank and probably unlocked all the guns and attachments that they wanted ages ago so they aren't playing them just to "level up".
For myself, the size of the maps and clustered together flags wasn't a problem, but the lack of cover from aircraft, most maps feeling and looking the same, majority being poorly designed are the bigger problems.
By skilled team, what do you mean? every seat occupied and them doing their jobs as they are suppose to i.e. someone watching out for jets etc. and nothing else?
The majority of youtubers don't seem to have any problems in their recent videos
It all comes down to the enemy team, if you have loads of guys with stingers etc. then it won't last long, generally they only do something about the gunship when they are getting raped by it...
And yeah I mean for rush mode, again DICE should have done what the majority wanted imo, which was to remove it from rush game mode completely.
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if DICE really wanted to make this a true BF game then they would remove the "easy mode features" such as spotting, damage indicator, health and vehicle regen. etc. IIRC BF 2 didn't have any of them except damage indicator?
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Looks like ground bombs are back...... lets hope it isn't a repeat of BF 2 with the ground bombs
Game really does look superb and the maps actually look really well designed and seem to all have a different feel/look to them
I also agree with lvlcap on the customisation part, will just have to make sure I spam that q button Plus good to see loads of tow launchers!
Game really does look superb and the maps actually look really well designed and seem to all have a different feel/look to them
I also agree with lvlcap on the customisation part, will just have to make sure I spam that q button
Plus good to see loads of tow launchers!
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Not so sure they are unguided bombs
Don't think they would want to repeat that as they've said time and time again that BF is about rock paper scissors. Whatever you have, there must be something to counter it.
There is nothing to counter a jet with unguided bombs. I suspect they may in fact be laser guided bombs. The laser guided ground missile in BF3 wasn't very popular as everybody just used rocketpods.
Maybe they pimped it to make it a bit better ?
Nexus doesn't. That will make it easier for the jets to shoot him if jet pilots don't even need to spot because their team does it for them.
Don't think they would want to repeat that as they've said time and time again that BF is about rock paper scissors. Whatever you have, there must be something to counter it.
There is nothing to counter a jet with unguided bombs. I suspect they may in fact be laser guided bombs. The laser guided ground missile in BF3 wasn't very popular as everybody just used rocketpods.
Maybe they pimped it to make it a bit better ?
Nexus doesn't. That will make it easier for the jets to shoot him if jet pilots don't even need to spot because their team does it for them.
I've always used 78 in BC2 which is spot on for me, so though the same would apply in BF3, might give it a go at 90/95 in bf3 and see if it makes any diference
So then you just "avoid" the problem
Also, you play on the consoles so surely would gameplay not be quite different to PC since the game was more balanced towards consoles i.e. you can tell that the majority of maps are suited to 32 player, less flags etc. thus these issues I and others have with this game might not be as much of a problem on the consoles?
Obviously I can't speak for every single person but most of my friends preferred BC 2 and from reading on these forums, you would be surprised at how many enjoyed BC 2 over BF 2.
I have only very briefly played BF 2 on friend's PC's so can't say exactly what BF 2 was like other than what I have heard/read but one of my friends said that back then, BF 2 was great for the time but if it was released today with "just" updated graphics, it would be terrible in terms of gameplay and from what I have read/heard, I would agree, games have moved on and evolved big time.
And with regards to that last part, yes I know that! That is what "I would prefer" if I had it my way because I felt that some of those things missing were the reason why BC 2 felt better to play than BF 3 overall
- no jets meant easier balance throughout and you didn't have too much to worry about i.e. only tanks and apache which imo is enough to deal with
And the Ac130 is a joke in BF 3, you just have to watch youtube videos on it to see how overpowered it "can" be, xfactor, lvl etc. had a video recently of them using it and they just raked in a huge amount of kills in a matter of minutes and were even joking about it being underpowered and that DICE need to buff it. That is the main reason I avoided armoured kill, imo that one thing simply "broke" the gameplay, apart from that the maps looks absolutely superb etc.
Suppose that can be much like the jets situation i.e. as in the jets not being overpowered but other factors such as spotting etc. that make them "appear" overpowered.
- no prone as imo it is just for campers and haven't seen anyone use prone for anything other than that i.e. snipers prone on some rock miles away (not a problem though since they have that glint), some guy prone in the corner waiting for people to run by
As a result, gameplay was faster paced in BC 2 I felt
But I got use to it so this doesn't bother me too much now.
Also, BC 2 still had that "battlefield" feel to it, you still had vehicles, customisation, destruction, biggish maps etc.
You don't have to include every single thing you can think of in a game just to make it appear good, as the saying goes sometimes less is more and quality is greater than quantity.
I think that DICE try to implement "too much" and as a result makes it harder for themselves to solve bugs/problems and balance things.
At the end of the day, we all like different games.
I am looking forward to GTA 5 a lot tbh, partially because I really need a break from my "usual" games which is FPS
It seems that over the recent months you have invested a lot of time talking about / writing posts about BF4 (and BF3). Have you considered directing your efforts elsewhere? Imagine what you could have achieved if you weren't bealing about BF3 and BF4. You probably could have developed a website or written a book or something.
Well if DICE have done the spotting system correctly this time, jets and other aircraft won't be able to see the entire team lit up
Thus they will have to work harder for their "easy" kills.Besides, as I said earlier, I don't think jets are going to have it easy in this game with the amount of counter measures, boats armed with TV missiles, cannons, two mini guns, apaches, stingers, jav + soflam (hopefully they have increased the range for those last two), AT 4 not to mention all the other stuff firing at them i.e. jeep 50 cal guns, the tank shells + 50 cal gunner too
The 50 cal gun is extremely deadly to jets just as long as you can lead your target perfectly and the jet isn't flying too high, if done right you can disable and sometimes even take out the jet in a matter of seconds (the closer they are, the quicker they go down) and of course with a tank shell, one shot one kill
Doubt it.
It's not like you get many people doing the other basic things often such as using the MAV + soflam in BF 3
Only way to get more people doing it will to be increase the points you get for spotting.
Takes like 10 minutes to write posts like that so not exactly time consuming
Not going to be posting any more "walls of texts" like that for a while though as you just end up going round in circles with some people and plus I have had to explain the same points more or less over and over again....
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Besides, as I said earlier, I don't think jets are going to have it easy in this game with the amount of counter measures, boats armed with TV missiles, cannons, two mini guns, apaches, stingers, jav + soflam (hopefully they have increased the range for those last two), AT 4 not to mention all the other stuff firing at them i.e. jeep 50 cal guns, the tank shells + 50 cal gunner too
The 50 cal gun is extremely deadly to jets just as long as you can lead your target perfectly and the jet isn't flying too high, if done right you can disable and sometimes even take out the jet in a matter of seconds (the closer they are, the quicker they go down) and of course with a tank shell, one shot one kill
All of this applies in BF3. This doesn't affect the good jet pilots though who engage other jets high in the air out of reach, then while they have air superiority go right to the top of the flight ceiling, and float down at a crawl bombing everything in sight with the rocket pods.
You're still going to have good jet pilots dominate once they've had a few months to learn them.
Yes the latter stuff is in BF 3, but:
- boats armed to the teeth
- AT4
- faster RPGs
- automated stationary AA
Plus some other little things aren't in BF 3.
IIRC isn't there other new types of rockets/stingers for infantry, something that can fire up to 3 rockets?
Also, can the commander do anything about aircraft?
And hopefully DICE have changed that too i.e. longer reload for the rocket pods (or something liked the limited time ammo reload or whatever it is for the tanks main cannon) or/and they can't go that "slow"
- boats armed to the teeth
- AT4
- faster RPGs
- automated stationary AA
Plus some other little things aren't in BF 3.
IIRC isn't there other new types of rockets/stingers for infantry, something that can fire up to 3 rockets?
Also, can the commander do anything about aircraft?
And hopefully DICE have changed that too i.e. longer reload for the rocket pods (or something liked the limited time ammo reload or whatever it is for the tanks main cannon) or/and they can't go that "slow"
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BF4 beta announced for October 1st!
The FOV in BC2 and BF3 is vertical FOV so u need to use a calculator to convert it to the horizontal FOV that you want. At 78° vertical you are already at 110° horizontal which makes me dizzy
. Try this: http://www.rjdown.co.uk/projects/bfbc2/fovcalculator.php
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Yeah there's the Starstreak
But its a Battle pickup only and you have to wait for it to drop and then go find it before the enemy team does !
We'll wait and see but i don't see boats, the wire guided SRAW or the RPGs being much use against good jet pilots who stay high to avoid that sort of stuff.
He talks about the spotting mechanic in this vid, seems its been dialled back from bf3. Also says something at the end about the beta being out on the first if you buy the premium bundle, is there some type of early access then for people buying that?
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No
You get early access to the beta if you had one of the following
Medal of Honour
BF3 Premium
Pre Ordered BF4 Digital Deluxe
If you did the beta starts on the 1st instead of the 3rd for normal people.
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Any news on the Beta date?
Any news on the Beta date?
October 1st with criteria in post above, 3rd for everyone else.
Not yet, with a bit of luck though they've increased the speed of scout helicopters, makes no sense that a scout helicopter was so slow in bf3 considering its role needed more speed.