Baby Crushed to Death at Airport

Lysander said:
What, to the point whereby there's a large chance of imminent death? Well, no.
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No, but I can bet if I presented you with this situation before it happened, you would not have forseen the outcome. Regardless of the stupidity in retrospect, you would not have said "oh my, that baby is certainly going to die!".

Hence my point, you may have, probably unknowingly, caused a dangerous situation for somebody else in the past, yet it just didnn't come to any disatrous outcome, unlike in this case.
 
Efour said:
Think Twice about putting their kids on baggage carousels ??
You think people do this everyday?
Continue to happen????:confused::confused::confused::confused: What is this the first infant to ever die on an aircraft baggage carousel in 60 years of commercial air travel..? I'm gonna guess its quite rare if not the first.

The Woman is a colossal IDIOT! She caused the death of her own baby. What on earth will putting her inside prison for 10 years for manslaughter do? She has destroyed her self, you don't need to be locked in a cage... Shes not a risk to the public... Is she gonna go round scooping up babies and put them on supermarket checkouts and escalators to try and kill them...
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Simply, protect her from injuring others. As you say, she's a colossal idiot. I 90% agree with your post, but if she's the kind of person who can do this once, she can do something similar again. It's not to punish her, it's to protect others.

I mean seriously, I can't believe anyone would do it without having a history of doing stupid things. It takes a certain kind of person to do this.
 
Scougar said:
You don't think that the death of their own child caused by them (her) is enough punishment? Any official sentence would be nothing to the torture of what had just happened.
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her actions lead to the babies death.
Neglect is a passive form of abuse in which a perpetrator is responsible to provide care for a victim who is unable to care for himself or herself, but fails to provide adequate care.

Neglect may include the failure to provide sufficient supervision, nourishment, or medical care, or the failure to fulfill other needs for which the victim is helpless to provide for himself or herself. The term is also applied when necessary care is withheld by those responsible for providing it from animals, plants, and even inanimate objects. Neglect can carry on in a child's life falling into many long-term side effects such as: physical injuries, low self-esteem, attention disorders, violent behavior, and can even cause death
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mothermachine said:
No. It's utterly stupid, lazy and reckless, and this is what can happen as a result. You place the baby on the ground like everyone else who cares for their offspring.

Edit: or you just carry the damned thing like you're supposed to.
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Yes, let all of us absolutely perfect individuals criticise the honest mistake of someone who is not perfect and hunt them down with pitchforks :rolleyes:

Tell me, are you a mumsnet user by any chance?

You repeatedly use the word 'dumped' like she discarded her child like rubbish. She did not dump her child, my guess is that the child was 'placed' very carefully in a carrier on a surface which freed her hands so that she could do something with them. Unfortunately she chose the wrong surface/place.

A silly mistake, yes. Can you point me to the person who has never made one of those? Can you point me to the person who is always 110% on the ball with a child of that age, who is not perpetually tired/exhausted and apt to make errors in judgement? Can you? No I thought not.

For all you know she may have made said silly mistake because her child kept her up all night and due to tiredness her mental functions were impaired. We are human, and under certain conditions we sometimes make mistakes. This one ended tragically, unfortunately. But yes, perfect as we are, lets make an example of the mother for failing to reach our pedestal. :rolleyes:

How about instead of screaming for the woman to be jailed you stop and think how you would be feeling in that situation (and please don't presume to say you would never be in such a situation as that is simply arrogant beyond belief). Would being arrested and sent to jail actually cause you more hurt than you already feel? Likewise where is the public interest in prosecuting this woman? She already has a life sentence of misery. If you killed one of your own children with an honest mistake (and it can and does happen before you start extolling how perfect you are), would you be so quick to call for your own arrest and prosecution?

My heartfelt condolences to the baby's family, may he rest in peace.
 
realBabelfish said:
as a parent you need to have eyes in the back of your head and think about everything you do. she obviously wasnt watching as they move about walking pace so should have had time to grab when it started moving.
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You need eyes in the back of your head, yes, but nobody does.

Go and sit in your local A&E for the day and watch how many children come through the doors due to not having eyes in the back of the head.

The mother had an older child with her, it's very easy to get distracted.

You are presuming the carrier was carried for a while on the conveyer belt, witnesses have stated the whole thing happened in seconds.
 
Haggisman said:
it must be made clear that the mother is fully to blame for the death of the child.
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Fully, hmm I've never seen many things in life where someone is fully to blame for anything.

I've also never met a parent who has not placed their child in danger at times even without realising it at the time eg left a stairgate open by accident etc.

There is a difference between a tragic accident which can't have been forseen and something that is both a conscious and deliberate act of harm or negligence.
 
TFleming said:
No, but I can bet if I presented you with this situation before it happened, you would not have forseen the outcome. Regardless of the stupidity in retrospect, you would not have said "oh my, that baby is certainly going to die!".

Hence my point, you may have, probably unknowingly, caused a dangerous situation for somebody else in the past, yet it just didnn't come to any disatrous outcome, unlike in this case.
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For me personally? I'm always thinking about possible outcomes to all situations. That's why in my 37 years not a single bad thing has happened to me or my loved ones because i'm able to protect myself and them from doing stupid things.
 
Haggisman said:
Whilst I don't feel that a punishment would serve any purpose, it must be made clear that the mother is fully to blame for the death of the child.
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I dont think any of us actually know the full story so that is a little premature.

How do we know the converyor was not supposed to be isolated by the last user who forgot to do so?

I really cant see how a conveyor that starts automatically when something is placed on it should be left in that state unattended by airport staff. My feeling is that conveyor should have never moved unless a member of airport staff was in attendance - or there were adequate signs and or lighting/audiable alarms to warn of the starting of the conveyor.

Obviously it is all conjecture at this stage but I would not be surprised if there may be some fault allocated to the airport, however right or wrong some people may feel that is.
 
BuffetSlayer said:
Yes, let all of us absolutely perfect individuals criticise the honest mistake of someone who is not perfect and hunt them down with pitchforks :rolleyes:

Tell me, are you a mumsnet user by any chance?

You repeatedly use the word 'dumped' like she discarded her child like rubbish. She did not dump her child, my guess is that the child was 'placed' very carefully in a carrier on a surface which freed her hands so that she could do something with them. Unfortunately she chose the wrong surface/place.

A silly mistake, yes. Can you point me to the person who has never made one of those? Can you point me to the person who is always 110% on the ball with a child of that age, who is not perpetually tired/exhausted and apt to make errors in judgement? Can you? No I thought not.

For all you know she may have made said silly mistake because her child kept her up all night and due to tiredness her mental functions were impaired. We are human, and under certain conditions we sometimes make mistakes. This one ended tragically, unfortunately. But yes, perfect as we are, lets make an example of the mother for failing to reach our pedestal. :rolleyes:

How about instead of screaming for the woman to be jailed you stop and think how you would be feeling in that situation (and please don't presume to say you would never be in such a situation as that is simply arrogant beyond belief). Would being arrested and sent to jail actually cause you more hurt than you already feel? Likewise where is the public interest in prosecuting this woman? She already has a life sentence of misery. If you killed one of your own children with an honest mistake (and it can and does happen before you start extolling how perfect you are), would you be so quick to call for your own arrest and prosecution?

My heartfelt condolences to the baby's family, may he rest in peace.
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Well said.
 
arknor said:
her actions lead to the babies death.
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Trouble is it's not common knowledge that the baggage belt, when station is activated by weight and will move. Yes her action of putting the baby lead to the eventual accident but it's not neglect as she did not do it knowingly, unless the prosecution has evidence of that e.g. previous attempts due to Postnatal Depression or the likes.

Everyone caught in an accident put themself in that situation, but not knowingly that will happen. Thus an accident.
 
Orch said:
No, it's not.

If I'm completely honest, could I see myself putting a carrier on a stationary belt for a second whilst i grabbed something? Yes. Especially when you're in a flustering airport situation with children. But, I would make sure the carrier was never out of my line of sight, so if it did start moving, I would just pick it off.

I would put money on a lot of the harsh comments in here coming from people that don't have children.
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No words, if you can see yourself doing the same thing then i think you are a complete moron and should never be in charge of looking after any kid ever
 
spoffle said:
If a parent spilt something on the floor, and I slipped in it and fell on their baby, whose fault would it be that I'd just squashed a baby?

Do try and respond objectively without straw manning or ad homming.
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come on it's hardly the same thing is it.
although the article does say
The Spanish police said they were investigating, looking at CCTV footage "but it seems that it was an accident".
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I'm sure they are looking into the possibility it was not an accident though.

I bet they are already checking if she has been to that airport before and if she was aware the belt would be activated by the bags weight.

There may even be signs around warning people which she could have ignored but clearly looked at on some CCTV footage
 
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robgmun said:
No words, if you can see yourself doing the same thing then i think you are a complete moron and should never be in charge of looking after any kid ever
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Do you have children?

Guess what, I left the stair gate open the other day as well, fancy calling social on me?

I guess you're perfect, a perfect ******* maybe.
 
arknor said:
her actions lead to the babies death.
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I am sure we could argue the finer points of neglect as you have highlighted, but then I'm sure it would just get silly.

I have no doubt she is to blame. However, for all we know, she may have been the most overly cautious mother you ever met, but made a mistake that ended up in the death of her child. For reference, I would never even contemplate putting a child on a luggage belt.

It's pure comedy people throwing judgements around based on a few sketchy details. (This isn't at you arknor)

Has anyone been to that airport and remembers the large luggage belt? Is it rollers, is it large rubber flaps? I just can't get my head around how a child was crushed to death whilst strapped into a carrier.
 
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