Nairobi (Kenya) Shopping Center Terror Attack

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As much as I am against Islam (or all religion really) clearly Islam isn't to blame.

The problem is that the regional needs some central leadership, to correct those who have mistakenly have intolerance for non believers.

These muslims should be tried by their own laws / communities. (and publicly so).

 

[greywolf]

Trust bitslice to be the first to jump on the muslim-bashing bandwagon - get a life dude. Take your 'dem der muslims are trying to take over our country' rubbish back to the EDL forums.

However you must see that the religion has to be taken as a whole, the good and bad. Whilst a large portion probably do want to get on with things and are nice people who I have nothing personally against. They also come with baggage so to speak. They need to get their rank and file under control before the religion as a whole will be taken in a better light. Thus currently the religion and cultural differences it brings is having a clashing effect with western culture. We have bent over far too much as it is, now its their turn. Don't come to the UK and expect us to change and pander to their wants and needs, as the Australians say "Love us or leave us".

If a religion is to be taken seriously it must not mind having questions or opinions thrown at it. In defence you can't just brand them a muslim basher and then think you are on the higher moral ground because of the miscomprehension that left is good and right is bad.

 

[Mason-]

However you must see that the religion has to be taken as a whole, the good and bad. Whilst a large portion probably do want to get on with things and are nice people who I have nothing personally against. They also come with baggage so to speak. They need to get their rank and file under control before the religion as a whole will be taken in a better light. Thus currently the religion and cultural differences it brings is having a clashing effect with western culture. We have bent over far too much as it is, now its their turn. Don't come to the UK and expect us to change and pander to their wants and needs, as the Australians say "Love us or leave us".

If a religion is to be taken seriously it must not mind having questions or opinions thrown at it. In defence you can't just brand them a muslim basher and then think you are on the higher moral ground because of the miscomprehension that left is good and right is bad.

+1

 

[bitslice]

Ignorance is rife amongst muslims aswell as non-muslims unfortunately these days.

Agreed, but until you all sit down and agree what Islam means, this will continue forever and it will always be in Islams name.

If Christianity didn't move forward from the Old Testament then we would be doing the same. Hence the number of killings in the name of god are extremely rare (I can't even name one?)

Mental people are just that - mental - doesn't matter what justification they attempt to use.

It's a mistake (and a deflection of the truth) to say all killings are done by the insane. Killing is merely an antisocial act.

If a religion is to be taken seriously it must not mind having questions or opinions thrown at it.

This is a significant cultural hurdle for Islam, all these people come from where Islam isn't questioned because to do so means a death sentence. The idea that something like Islam can not be taken seriously is anathema
Whereas in this country we have Monty Python and this makes us awesome

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[robgmun]

However you must see that the religion has to be taken as a whole, the good and bad. Whilst a large portion probably do want to get on with things and are nice people who I have nothing personally against. They also come with baggage so to speak. They need to get their rank and file under control before the religion as a whole will be taken in a better light. Thus currently the religion and cultural differences it brings is having a clashing effect with western culture. We have bent over far too much as it is, now its their turn. Don't come to the UK and expect us to change and pander to their wants and needs, as the Australians say "Love us or leave us".

If a religion is to be taken seriously it must not mind having questions or opinions thrown at it. In defence you can't just brand them a muslim basher and then think you are on the higher moral ground because of the miscomprehension that left is good and right is bad.

Great post that. +1

 

[zoomee]

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If Christianity didn't move forward from the Old Testament then we would be doing the same. Hence the number of killings in the name of god are extremely rare (I can't even name one?)


It's a mistake (and a deflection of the truth) to say all killings are done by the insane. Killing is merely an antisocial act.


This is a significant cultural hurdle for Islam, all these people come from where Islam isn't questioned because to do so means a death sentence. The idea that something like Islam can not be taken seriously is anathema
Whereas in this country we have Monty Python and this makes us awesome

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Heres a name for you - Breivik

And your wrong to think that questioning Islam carries a death sentence. Islam promotes the idea of knowledge (Its one of the main principles of Islam)- knowledge is attained through questioning things.

It's plain ignorance what these people do.

 

[deuse]

Islam forbids terrorism - FULL STOP

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

Ignorance is rife amongst muslims aswell as non-muslims unfortunately these days.

Even though their on the increase - When the usual daft american goes on his shooting spree in public places - their religion or political stance doesn't seem to matter. But when its one of them der mussies - it's plastered all over the news as such....... Mental people are just that - mental - doesn't matter what justification they attempt to use.

Maybe it's because this load of scum let muslim people go? the stupid guy in the navy base never let anyone go.

 

[zoomee]

However you must see that the religion has to be taken as a whole, the good and bad. Whilst a large portion probably do want to get on with things and are nice people who I have nothing personally against. They also come with baggage so to speak. They need to get their rank and file under control before the religion as a whole will be taken in a better light. Thus currently the religion and cultural differences it brings is having a clashing effect with western culture. We have bent over far too much as it is, now its their turn. Don't come to the UK and expect us to change and pander to their wants and needs, as the Australians say "Love us or leave us".

If a religion is to be taken seriously it must not mind having questions or opinions thrown at it. In defence you can't just brand them a muslim basher and then think you are on the higher moral ground because of the miscomprehension that left is good and right is bad.

That's a contradictory post. In the first sentence you say religion must be taken as a whole then the very next you admit the majority just want to get on with life. That tells one using logic that the majority are the representation of the religion and the minority aren't. What you refer to is stereo-typing.

 

[deuse]

However you must see that the religion has to be taken as a whole, the good and bad. Whilst a large portion probably do want to get on with things and are nice people who I have nothing personally against. They also come with baggage so to speak. They need to get their rank and file under control before the religion as a whole will be taken in a better light. Thus currently the religion and cultural differences it brings is having a clashing effect with western culture. We have bent over far too much as it is, now its their turn. Don't come to the UK and expect us to change and pander to their wants and needs, as the Australians say "Love us or leave us".

If a religion is to be taken seriously it must not mind having questions or opinions thrown at it. In defence you can't just brand them a muslim basher and then think you are on the higher moral ground because of the miscomprehension that left is good and right is bad.

+2

 

[zoomee]

Maybe it's because this load of scum let muslim people go? the stupid guy in the navy base never let anyone go.

And who are they to judge who is a muslim or not - just the fact they made that assumption by asking a question (which in all honesty even I (a practising muslim) didn't know the answer to without having to ask!) is surely a show of their stupid mentality?

The killing of innocent people doesn't just apply to muslims - it applies to non-believers aswell. Justice applies to all not just believers.

If you want to see the true interpretation of Islam - learn about the man who died teaching us the religion and what his actions were - not stupid numpties who use the religion to justify their own silly actions.

 

[deuse]

And who are they to judge who is a muslim or not - just the fact they made that assumption by asking a question (which in all honesty even I (a practising muslim) didn't know the answer to without having to ask!) is surely a show of their stupid mentality?

Well if you was there as a practising muslim you would be dead. Think you need to go and study more

""They came and said: 'If you are Muslim, stand up. We've come to rescue you'," said Elijah Lamau."

"He said the Muslims left with their hands up, and then the gunmen shot two people"

 

[greywolf]

That's a contradictory post. In the first sentence you say religion must be taken as a whole then the very next you admit the majority just want to get on with life. That tells one using logic that the majority are the representation of the religion and the minority aren't. What you refer to is stereo-typing.

Yes, all the aspects of the religion and those who follow to be taken as a whole. Be that good and bad, there are many parts which make up the whole and reflect on one another. Stereo-typing no, highlighting the problem which exists within the religion, yes. The whole religion needs to pull together with the good fixing the bad with being more moderate and open to opinion.

 

[zoomee]

If it existed in the religion - why don't ALL muslims do it?
Your previous statement is contradictory if one uses logic.

So do you brand all christians as terrorists too due to the crusades? - no thought not.
What about buddhism - you class what their doing to the muslims in Burma as terrorism? - no thought not.
How about what the Israeli jews are doing to the palestinian christians and muslims? - you get the point by this stage.

Your logic is flawed.

 

[Mason-]

If it existed in the religion - why don't ALL muslims do it?
Your previous statement is contradictory if one uses logic.

So do you brand all christians as terrorists too due to the crusades? - no thought not.
What about buddhism - you class what their doing to the muslims in Burma as terrorism? - no thought not.
How about what the Israeli jews are doing to the palestinian christians and muslims? - you get the point by this stage.

Your logic is flawed.

Are you mentally ill? And also "using logic" (lol) he never said the word majority.

Reread what he said. He is not talking about majorities or minorities, whether these terrorists are the minority or majority they are still part of the name of Islam whether you like it or not. They do things in your name and so the name of Islam has to bear that. Just like the Christians will always have the crusades with their name. After all you brought it up just now, say Islam becomes 100% peaceful in 100 years, people will still talk about the terrorist attacks that were done in the name of Islam.

 

[Dis86]

So do you brand all christians as terrorists too due to the crusades? - no thought not.

You mean those things that happened over 1000 years ago? I think you seriously need to get with the times buddy. Christianity has evolved. Time you caught up!

 

[greywolf]

If it existed in the religion - why don't ALL muslims do it?
Your previous statement is contradictory if one uses logic.

So do you brand all christians as terrorists too due to the crusades? - no thought not.
What about buddhism - you class what their doing to the muslims in Burma as terrorism? - no thought not.
How about what the Israeli jews are doing to the palestinian christians and muslims? - you get the point by this stage.

Your logic is flawed.

Because maybe some Muslims are actually moderate and not extremists? I never once branded all Muslims are terrorists, quite the opposite. But I am saying the moderate should work on speading their view within the religions extremist followers.

If this is flawed logic then I think I will stick to it thank you very much.

 

[zoomee]

clearly Islam isn't to blame.

The problem is that the regional needs some central leadership, to correct those who have mistakenly have intolerance for non believers.

These muslims should be tried by their own laws / communities. (and publicly so).

This. They should be made an example of by the locals

 

[Housey]

That's a contradictory post. In the first sentence you say religion must be taken as a whole then the very next you admit the majority just want to get on with life. That tells one using logic that the majority are the representation of the religion and the minority aren't. What you refer to is stereo-typing.

But if the majority stay silent and the minority create the perception then it is up to the majority to take back control of that perception. If they don't, wrongly or rightly, it is viewed as tacit approval of the actions of the vociferous. "Just getting on with life" could also be defined as sticking your head in the sand or not wanting to take responsibility for those who use your religion to define their actions. Stop telling everyone your religion is a peaceful religion as that is carrying less and less weight when followers of it are going around shopping centres shooting people who don't conform. Time is to act if you want your religion to be respected as right now, for most, I'd suggest they don't see it as much more than fundamentalists who hate the majority of people they share and island with. The lack of action from the majority simply supports the perception that even though you imply you don't approve of such barbaric actions, because they are carried out in the name of your religion it makes it difficult to protest against them in public and that is your issue.

Stop finding reasons why you think we have your religion wrong, stop trying to tell us most muslims are nice people, which in my experience they really are, and take hold of the image and publicly protest against the terrorists. If you don't you can't expect people to keep listening.

 

[Housey]

This. They should be made an example of by the locals

See my point above, but they simply wont be will they...

 

[zoomee]

The majority DO voice their opinions against these acts - Look at how the muslim population of the UK reacted to the woolwich terror attacks. I didn't see anyone here highlighting that then. It didn't matter then, but your all crying about it now!

Also - If you expect locals to take their own action against these people them maybe you should think about other countries and them constantly interfering in the local politics by introducing 'regime change' as soon as someone doesn't want to bow to giving them oil cheap.