Nairobi (Kenya) Shopping Center Terror Attack

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I hope those evil Israeli terrorists don't hurt any peace loving muslims who are just defending other innocent muslims from western infidels.

Just another typical false flag Zionist conspiracy.
 
Whoa, I didn't realise that this incident was still going on!

Hopefully Israeli's will sort it out. Interesting that they've turned up... they can't have just marched in without the Kenyan Government agreeing.
 
zoomee said:
Islam specifically prohibits the killing of innocent people. ESPECIALLY women and children. There's no two ways about this. So this is clearly an act AGAINST the teachings of Islam.

Trust bitslice to be the first to jump on the muslim-bashing bandwagon - get a life dude. Take your 'dem der muslims are trying to take over our country' rubbish back to the EDL forums.

A despicable act - I hope the perpetrators get everything that's coming to them , darn filth.
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Lol whut? There are at least a dozen verses in Qur'an telling muslims to kill infidels.
 
"Three British nationals confirmed dead in the attack in Nairobi" RIP :(
But I hope that news is wrong.

Cameron just said it's nothing to do with religion while the terrorists tweet "our mujahideen have the upper hand! praise due to allah!"
 
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Scougar said:
It's easy to tag yourself as part of a group.
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What you mean twitter? Al Qaeda-linked Shebab rebels twitter account was suspended Saturday.

Some news guy at daily nation has found their other one giving details out that's how we knew the Israelis was there.
But there again you never know.


Why they don't use sleeping gas is beyond me.
 
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Muzza1875 said:
Lol whut? There are at least a dozen verses in Qur'an telling muslims to kill infidels.
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Verses like 8:12, as I have explained in the past, have a context. Once the context is understood, the verses are clearly understood. Yet, before I go into verse 8:12, I must explain a bit about the process of revelation of the Qur’an. The Qur’an was not revealed all at once. Rather, it was gradually sent down over a period of 23 years. During that period, the community of believers evolved and specific situations came up, to which the Qur’anic text frequently responded.

This is important to understand when reading verse 8:12. This verse - along with several ahead of it - was revealed in reference to the Battle of Badr, the first major battle between the Muslims and the Meccan pagans around 625 C.E.

The verse is speaking about the events surrounding the Battle of Badr. It is not a general command to “strike at the necks of the infidels.” Anyone with an understanding of the history of Islam knows this. When I read these verses, I know that they refer to the Battle of Badr. Nowhere in my mind is there even an inkling of a thought to “strike at the necks of the infidels.”

There are quite a number of verses, like 8:12, that speak about the believers’ conduct in an open battle against the enemy. God is “psyching up” the believers before a battle, just like American soldiers psych themselves up before they go into combat. It is not an open call to behead all infidels. Once again, when the verse is understood in its context, this becomes obviously clear.

In fact, the verse actually is one of mercy toward the enemy. After the battle is over, during which the believers are to “smite their necks,” the verse directs the believers to set free those who are captured by the Muslims, either “by an act of grace or against ransom.” These captives are avowed enemies, who would have killed the believers if they had the chance. Despite this, however, the verse directs the Muslims to set them free. Therefore, how on earth can this verse be one of terror?

But, you know, anyone can misquote, mistranslate, or quote out of context a verse of scripture to seemingly prove a point.


Lazder said:
Depends in which Quran, in Saudis yes...
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Ermm, there's only one Qur'an buddy.


Here is an interesting read guys: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/killi...e-in--islam-20130527-2n70h.html#ixzz2YLqP9bxJ

Hadith that states "Whoever kills a mu'ahid [non-combatant, innocent non-Muslims] will not smell the scent of paradise …" (Bukhari).
A contextual reading of the Koran or Hadith leads to one conclusion only: there is no justification for the killing of innocent people, whether in Baghdad or Boston. Full stop!

The ends do not justify the means in Islamic ethics!

Therefore, associating murder or the killing of innocent people and bystanders to "Islam" is not only abhorrent, but goes against the clear text of Islam.
A contextual reading of Islamic texts prohibits targeting innocent people such as women, children, religious people and others even during times of war. Disbelief, in and of itself, is not an excuse to kill anyone.

The koranic verses, which seem violent, were revealed at a time when the non-Muslims of Mecca attacked Muslims on a regular basis. They are to be interpreted within a legal and historical context, and not in isolation.

No competent and credible Muslim scholar would take the verses mentioned as permitting terrorism and the killing of innocent people. To the contrary!

When these texts are not read in their proper textual and historical contexts they are manipulated and distorted – by Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
When examined objectively, one will not fail to realise that the Koran and the teachings of the prophet Muhammad strictly condemn terrorism and the killing of innocent people, Muslim or not.
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Kouba said:
Verses like 8:12, as I have explained in the past, have a context. Once the context is understood, the verses are clearly understood. Yet, before I go into verse 8:12, I must explain a bit about the process of revelation of the Qur’an. The Qur’an was not revealed all at once. Rather, it was gradually sent down over a period of 23 years. During that period, the community of believers evolved and specific situations came up, to which the Qur’anic text frequently responded.

This is important to understand when reading verse 8:12. This verse - along with several ahead of it - was revealed in reference to the Battle of Badr, the first major battle between the Muslims and the Meccan pagans around 625 C.E.

The verse is speaking about the events surrounding the Battle of Badr. It is not a general command to “strike at the necks of the infidels.” Anyone with an understanding of the history of Islam knows this. When I read these verses, I know that they refer to the Battle of Badr. Nowhere in my mind is there even an inkling of a thought to “strike at the necks of the infidels.”

There are quite a number of verses, like 8:12, that speak about the believers’ conduct in an open battle against the enemy. God is “psyching up” the believers before a battle, just like American soldiers psych themselves up before they go into combat. It is not an open call to behead all infidels. Once again, when the verse is understood in its context, this becomes obviously clear.

In fact, the verse actually is one of mercy toward the enemy. After the battle is over, during which the believers are to “smite their necks,” the verse directs the believers to set free those who are captured by the Muslims, either “by an act of grace or against ransom.” These captives are avowed enemies, who would have killed the believers if they had the chance. Despite this, however, the verse directs the Muslims to set them free. Therefore, how on earth can this verse be one of terror?

But, you know, anyone can misquote, mistranslate, or quote out of context a verse of scripture to seemingly prove a point.




Ermm, there's only one Qur'an buddy.


Here is an interesting read guys: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/killi...e-in--islam-20130527-2n70h.html#ixzz2YLqP9bxJ
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"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
 
Kouba said:
Ermm, there's only one Qur'an buddy.
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What I tried to say is that there is different interpretations of Quran, all vary greatly. No one knows the exact translation of Quran let alone the interpretation of it... Apparently its been written then re-written in early languages where 1 apostrophe changed whole message. Some scholars bend Quran to suit their needs.
 
Muzza1875 said:
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
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Sorry, where in my post did I state that it is to be interpreted as a spiritual struggle? Quite the contrary, it was a physical struggle - As per my post explaining the battle of Badr - which was what the verse was revealed for.

I urge you to read my post again, it explains the situations regarding the verse 8:12.

I hope that helps.
 
Re the whole "All Muslims are bad" debate, the problem here is simple...

There are some Christians that are crazy. There are other Christians that are alright.
There are some Muslims that are crazy. There are other Muslims that are alright.

When the crazy Christians do their thing, the rest get on and make a massive song and dance about how the crazies are not us etc. The alright Christians massively outnumber the crazy Christians, and the public notice this.

When the crazy muslims do their thing, the rest aren't very good at saying the crazies are not us etc. You only really hear about the crazies, and so the public [rightly or wrongly] thinks that the crazies outnumber the sensibles. If that's not true and there are more sensible muslims than crazies, then they need to get on and make some noise!
 
Westyfield2 said:
Re the whole "All Muslims are bad" debate, the problem here is simple...

There are some Christians that are crazy. There are other Christians that are alright.
There are some Muslims that are crazy. There are other Muslims that are alright.

When the crazy Christians do their thing, the rest get on and make a massive song and dance about how the crazies are not us etc. The alright Christians massively outnumber the crazy Christians, and the public notice this.

When the crazy muslims do their thing, the rest aren't very good at saying the crazies are not us etc. You only really hear about the crazies, and so the public [rightly or wrongly] thinks that the crazies outnumber the sensibles. If that's not true and there are more sensible muslims than crazies, then they need to get on and make some noise!
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Because Christians are 1st world while those muslamics are 10th world, so its easy to point a finger at them and laugh.
 
Kouba said:
Verses like 8:12, as I have explained in the past, have a context. Once the context is understood, the verses are clearly understood. Yet, before I go into verse 8:12, I must explain a bit about the process of revelation of the Qur’an. The Qur’an was not revealed all at once. Rather, it was gradually sent down over a period of 23 years.
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Was it sent by royal mail lmfao The things people believe!
 
Lazder said:
What I tried to say is that there is different interpretations of Quran, all vary greatly. No one knows the exact translation of Quran let alone the interpretation of it... Apparently its been written then re-written in early languages where 1 apostrophe changed whole message. Some scholars bend Quran to suit their needs.
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1. I agree that certain scholars have different interpretations of the Qur'an.
2. I agree that 'people' may interpret the Qur'an in a way that suits their needs
3. The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic and continued throughout time in Arabic

This is what I can tell you AFAIK, if you believe otherwise then please substantiate your claims, I hope that helps.
 
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