EVO 2013 tyre test

Simon said:
Read the 2012 review then as thats on an Audi S3. Its purely indicative and of interest and sure it may not apply to all cars.

If it's of no use as its on an A class - how is your comment about the M3 tyres of any use to someone without an M3?
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If you do a search you will find I was the one that started the thread on the 2012 EVO tyre thread as I subscribe to EVO.

I would argue that it would be more use on a performance FWD car like a Golf GTi or Megane 225 etc not an A class.

My M3 comment was not intended to be useful to anyone without one :p that's the BMW driver in me ;)

For the record the GYEF1AS2 is the best all round tyre I have driven the Golf GTi on! It is a very good tyre! When my wheels went for a refurb I had ditch finders on my car for a week. They were smaller sized, I think 16' and so poor to grip that my mpg went up by 5-7 mpg!
 
Simon said:
Read the 2012 review then as thats on an Audi S3. Its purely indicative and of interest and sure it may not apply to all cars.

If it's of no use as its on an A class - how is your comment about the M3 tyres of any use to someone without an M3?
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I would imagine any body with a performance RWD car would find it useful enough tbh.
 
The A3 needs some new rubber and the AS2 will be the likely choice as they are good and also cheaper than the alternatives in that size.

Had them on my WRX and they were great, lasted ages.
 
I've got the AS2s all round on my A3 and they're just as good as the contisport 3s I'd had previously, if not better. I've just about worn out the fronts so they'll be replaced with AS2s again.

Sometimes Camskill do a £40 fuel voucher with a pair of F1A2s, keep an eye out for that as it made them about £90 fitted for 225/45 R17s which is dirt cheap.
 
This nicely reminds me how completely illogical the EU tyre ratings are.

Just pricing up a set of these and the 265/35/18 Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 is rated C for fuel economy. The 235/40/18 Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 is rated E for fuel economy, despite having less width which you'd assume reduced rolling resistence. Whilst I appreciate there will be differences in size, I wouldn't expect under normal circumstances:

a) A wider tyre being more fuel efficient
b) The difference between minor size changes in an otherwise identical tyre model to be big enough to drop from C to E.

Therefore the only conclusion I can draw is that the ratings are rubbish - trouble is, people are buying tyres based on them now!

(I've already mentioned before how bizarre it is that in 235/40/18 there are infact two different F1 AS2 ratings - one has a C for Wet Grip, the other an A. The only difference is an 'FP' in the serial number, something 99.9% of buyers wouldn't notice).
 
Unless I'm getting a good price, I always look for the best price/performance ratio in a tyre for road use. I have had budget tyres many times and when it counts (emergency brake situations or in the wet) they are normally terrible. In fact I almost killed myself on some "Silverstone Race" tyres I had that happened to be on my car when I bought it. Pirelli P6000's are lethal in the wet as well, even given the high cost. Do your research.

The cost of better tyres is often higher wear and that's something you'll have to live with for safety.

I think the last time 'go to' tyre I used was the Falken FK451 and the FK452 if I couldn't get that. Not the greatest for wear, but decent grippy tyres for reasonable cost. However, all tyres have gone up significantly in price nowadays :-(
 
[TW]Fox;24990016 said:
This nicely reminds me how completely illogical the EU tyre ratings are.

Just pricing up a set of these and the 265/35/18 Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 is rated C for fuel economy. The 235/40/18 Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 is rated E for fuel economy, despite having less width which you'd assume reduced rolling resistence. Whilst I appreciate there will be differences in size, I wouldn't expect under normal circumstances:

a) A wider tyre being more fuel efficient
b) The difference between minor size changes in an otherwise identical tyre model to be big enough to drop from C to E.

Therefore the only conclusion I can draw is that the ratings are rubbish - trouble is, people are buying tyres based on them now!

(I've already mentioned before how bizarre it is that in 235/40/18 there are infact two different F1 AS2 ratings - one has a C for Wet Grip, the other an A. The only difference is an 'FP' in the serial number, something 99.9% of buyers wouldn't notice).
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Also check this out: For BMW vs for Mercedes.

The same tyre when marketed for BMW drivers is more fuel efficient than when marketed towards Mercedes drivers.. :confused:
 
F1ASY2 were the first 'premium' tyre I ever bought and I can't claim they are any better than the OEM tyres I had but certainly I have more traction in the wet, then again my OEM tyres were more worn so not really a fair test.
A lot of people claim a tyre they bought is amazing after replacing barely legal ones, I'm sure they are amazing compared to the barely legal tyres you had previously yes. I found it very hard to get hold of them when I was shopping.
 
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I need some new tyres for my Audi A4 1.8t 190 but Micheldever tyres only has the Goodyear F1 ASM2 tyres in with a C rating for wet performance. Are the A rated ones for wet performance really that better? I notice that the A rated ones in the wet are also slightly quieter.

I haven't read the evo review but how do conti sport contacts 5's fair as they too have an A rating for wet performance.

Quick answer would be greatly appreciated if possible as I'm trying to sort out getting new tyres fitted tomorrow.

Cheers

P.S. Tyre size is 235/40/18
 
The rating means very little, if it's the same cost get the higher rated but it was only brought in for the EU tests which are a scam.

Again whichever is cheapest would sway me for Conti vs Goodyear if you have no particular preference for either.
 
I'm more interested to know if the two Goodyear F1 ASM2's with the different ratings actually perform massively differently? Also the C rate F1 is rated at 72db whereas the A rated F1 is rated at 70db. It is saying to me that there is something different in the composition of the tyre. Maybe the A rated one is slightly softer so may wear qiucker too?

Fully appreciate that the labels are to be taken as generic info. Goodyears are far cheaper than the contis.

Thanks for the reply.
 
[TW]Fox;24990016 said:
despite having less width which you'd assume reduced rolling resistence.
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Isn't the theory the contact patch remains the same, just changes shape - so a wider tyre gets a wider contact patch, but as the area remains the same the length of the contact patch must reduce?

In a straifght line this could be more efficient - or maybe no effect? I'm led to believe lateral grip increases but I don't think this would effect economy.
 
Noxia said:
F1ASY2 were the first 'premium' tyre I ever bought and I can't claim they are any better than the OEM tyres I had but certainly I have more traction in the wet, then again my OEM tyres were more worn so not really a fair test.
A lot of people claim a tyre they bought is amazing after replacing barely legal ones, I'm sure they are amazing compared to the barely legal tyres you had previously yes. I found it very hard to get hold of them when I was shopping.
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What are the OEM fitted tyres ?
 
With the EU rating system why do some premium winter tyres are rated f or g for wet grip but the same premium brand summer tyres rate as A or B?

Are winter tyres just for snow then? Thought they were meant to be better in the wet as well?

EDIT: Just read that winter tyres only offer better grip in the wet than summer tyres once the temperature is below 7 degrees. Never knew that. Just assumed they would be better in the wet whatever the temp was.
 
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There are loads of diff tests. I think there are 4 for just Rolling resistance that you can use any of
 
Greebo said:
With the EU rating system why do some premium winter tyres are rated f or g for wet grip but the same premium brand summer tyres rate as A or B?

Are winter tyres just for snow then? Thought they were meant to be better in the wet as well?

EDIT: Just read that winter tyres only offer better grip in the wet than summer tyres once the temperature is below 7 degrees. Never knew that. Just assumed they would be better in the wet whatever the temp was.
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Few if any tyres offer superior wet grip than some of the wet biased UHP tyres.
 
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