Steam reveal
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So their idea to "free" gaming is to make you buy a £500 closed/fixed spec PC to go under the TV with very few (Linux) games and have a second Windows based PC if you want to play 99% of the Steam catalogue of games on the TV as a compromise solution with associated lag and sub par control methods for games designed around mouse & keyboard. All of which forces you to only buy games from Valve...
Uhuh... I see... I'd totally go for that rather than a Windows gaming PC that has everything steam has to offer plus non Steam games (EA Origin etc), plus all the other stuff it can do and/or a dedicated console.
Nope... still don't get it. I genuinely must be missing something..
Still seen zero evidence that a similarly specced Windows 7 PC runs the same game at the same settings noticeably slower than a Linux one despite the continued inference that somehow a Linux distro will run BF4 on a pants spec machine just as quick as a monster Windows based PC. I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise as long as it's a genuine like for like real world comparison!
Uhuh... I see... I'd totally go for that rather than a Windows gaming PC that has everything steam has to offer plus non Steam games (EA Origin etc), plus all the other stuff it can do and/or a dedicated console.
Nope... still don't get it. I genuinely must be missing something..
Still seen zero evidence that a similarly specced Windows 7 PC runs the same game at the same settings noticeably slower than a Linux one despite the continued inference that somehow a Linux distro will run BF4 on a pants spec machine just as quick as a monster Windows based PC. I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise as long as it's a genuine like for like real world comparison!
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So their idea to "free" gaming is to make you buy a £500 closed/fixed spec PC to go under the TV with very few (Linux) games and have a second Windows based PC if you want to play 99% of the Steam catalogue of games on the TV as a compromise solution with associated lag and sub par control methods for games designed around mouse & keyboard. All of which forces you to only buy games from Valve...
Uhuh... I see... I'd totally go for that rather than a Windows gaming PC that has everything steam has to offer plus non Steam games (EA Origin etc), plus all the other stuff it can do and/or a dedicated console.
Nope... still don't get it. I genuinely must be missing something..
Still seen zero evidence that a similarly specced Windows 7 PC runs the same game at the same settings noticeably slower than a Linux one despite the continued inference that somehow a Linux distro will run BF4 on a pants spec machine just as quick as a monster Windows based PC. I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise as long as it's a genuine like for like real world comparison!
This release isn't aimed at you, it's aimed at console users and casual PC users.
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Firstly, the third reveal will NOT BE HL3, L4D3, Riccochet 2 or any other game. This is certain beyond all reasonable doubt. Stop suggesting otherwise...
As pointed out above, as well as as near as confirmed in today's post, Reveal 3 will be some form of gamepad/input device. This is the most exciting prospect to me. I highly doubt that Valve will put their name to some generic gamepad. They want to innovate. They've done it before and they'll most likely do it again. I'm looking forward to what they've come up with.
As for today's reveal, I'm pleased. Obviously, it's too early to say what kind of machines will be released, but a small, purpouse-built, customisable, upgradeable PC/console hybrid sounds awesome to me! I think a lot of the people who have been dedicated console gamers for years but don't have the knowlege/funds/time to get in to PC gaming but have fancy a bit more than what's offered by their box will be interested to. This will have been Valve's aim.
Please don't dismiss the idea completely yet. We need more info, which we'll get, in time. The whole scheme could be terrible, but if anyone's going to revolutionise, it's going to be these guys, right?
As pointed out above, as well as as near as confirmed in today's post, Reveal 3 will be some form of gamepad/input device. This is the most exciting prospect to me. I highly doubt that Valve will put their name to some generic gamepad. They want to innovate. They've done it before and they'll most likely do it again. I'm looking forward to what they've come up with.
As for today's reveal, I'm pleased. Obviously, it's too early to say what kind of machines will be released, but a small, purpouse-built, customisable, upgradeable PC/console hybrid sounds awesome to me! I think a lot of the people who have been dedicated console gamers for years but don't have the knowlege/funds/time to get in to PC gaming but have fancy a bit more than what's offered by their box will be interested to. This will have been Valve's aim.
Please don't dismiss the idea completely yet. We need more info, which we'll get, in time. The whole scheme could be terrible, but if anyone's going to revolutionise, it's going to be these guys, right?
Seems like Valve are going to long lengths to get casual PC gamers into the living rooms.
I myself have a very decent gaming laptop. Alienware for their faults do make fairly good gaming laptops, not so sure about their desktops mind, I do wonder who the partners are they got involved with this project.
I would not be a bit surprised if Alienware haven't had some hand in this. i'd also not be a bit surprised with source 2 or even and it pains me to write this in public so lets whisper it (HL3) is announced as timed or even exclusive to Steam OS, but somehow i do not see valve cutting out potentially thousands upon thousands of sales like that IMO. And in anycase, the poster above is pretty much right. There will be no game announcement. It'll be a controller or something to go with Steam OS and the machines.
I'd be interested as well to see how they intend to get their catalog of games working under Steam OS. I somehow doubt MS would be all too happy with a DX Wrapper.. hmm interest indeed.
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I'd put money on the last announcement being a controller.
Whilst o+o looks like o plus o, it's also rather similar in form factor to your stereotypical gamepad if you think of it as an image like the [o ] representing a box.
These days, i'm half expecting a hat that controls the games
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I think its an input device as well. It'll be interesting, would not be surprised with a bluetooth trackpad, keypad and gamepad thats detachable with some type of mouse or something, it won't be just a simple xbox 360 gamepad lookalike or wannabe..
Far too many PC games use KB + Mouse even if its just to get the game up and running. Run steam big picture mode and fire up batman arkham..!! lovely mouse driven menu right there..!!
they've already ported some of their back catalog to run on linux, presumably using openGL instead of DX. for games that can't be ported, you're expected to keep a windows pc and stream from it over your network.
they've already ported some of their back catalog to run on linux, presumably using openGL instead of DX. for games that can't be ported, you're expected to keep a windows pc and stream from it over your network.
Somehow i've missed that.. Really? Wow well that means nearly all my collection will be streamed across wifi..
Lag anyone? Won't write that idea off right away. Sony seem to think it'll work with VITA and PS4 so lets see what happens.
Casual PC gamers, or any casual gamers for that matter, won't buy a machine specifically for gaming. They're casual because they already have a machine that can play games. The same reason why phone and tablet gaming grew so quickly.
This is a gadgety gimmick for PC gamers to play a few games in the living room more easily, which is pointless anyway because you might as well just build a small mid spec gaming PC for 500 quid and get access to many more games, hardware choices and peripherals etc. Console gamers and casual PC gamers are not going to fork out for one of these.
This is a gadgety gimmick for PC gamers to play a few games in the living room more easily, which is pointless anyway because you might as well just build a small mid spec gaming PC for 500 quid and get access to many more games, hardware choices and peripherals etc. Console gamers and casual PC gamers are not going to fork out for one of these.
Add me and i'll accept it so as to build your list up. ID iv-tecman
I had the same issue as you lol
I suppose so, but then I struggle to figure out why a casual PC gamer would want to spend £500 on a PC with a very limited selection of games (a casual gamer is unlikely to be dedicated enough to gaming to have a Windows gaming PC and then buy a steam box to stream from so it would just be the Linux games available through Steam).
Given that why would a casual gamers buy a Steambox rather than a console?
I'm not being awkward, just struggling to work out who other than Linux fans and tech fans (like us) would go for it in enough numbers to justify any publishers porting / developing apps for SteamOS outside Valve themselves.
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Given that Valve have been ploughing money and dev time into wine recently I would wager that SteamOS, or the native Linux client, will come with some sort of wrapper to allow Windows games on Linux. That's a very very good thing. If you use a PC just for gaming what's the point in paying out for an MS licence when you could just install a free OS (Any Linux Distro not just SteamOS)?
Admittedly if you use your PC for other Windows based stuff then fair enough, its not for you. The fact that Linux, not Windows, should be OS of choice in schools thereby allowing businesses to move away from Windows and save thousands of pounds in licensing every year is a totally other matter.
If people move away from Windows en-masse for gaming then that would sway devs and hardware manufacturers to improve drivers, compatibility and OpenCL/GL. Which is probably the best thing that can happen to technology right now. There is a lot more riding on this than just where and how we play our games.
Admittedly if you use your PC for other Windows based stuff then fair enough, its not for you. The fact that Linux, not Windows, should be OS of choice in schools thereby allowing businesses to move away from Windows and save thousands of pounds in licensing every year is a totally other matter.
If people move away from Windows en-masse for gaming then that would sway devs and hardware manufacturers to improve drivers, compatibility and OpenCL/GL. Which is probably the best thing that can happen to technology right now. There is a lot more riding on this than just where and how we play our games.
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I've not read much about Valve contributing to wine dev - mostly stuff about them working on native games running in linux?
Think i'd have to agree with this. i just fail to see how even Valve can get a huge catalog of games working for their OS and lets not forget, there are plenty out there who still play a lot of older games.
So unless Valve have manage to get GOG.com and even EA for that matter on board then its a big big task to move gaming away from MS windows...
As much as I'd love to have a gaming rig with no windows , its a tall order.
It will be interesting. if Valve can pull this one off it will be the biggest movement in PC gaming history since Direct X hit Windows 95, I will watch this and its development with much interest.
got any sauce? this is from the steamOS homepage....
also, steam has had a native linux client for quite sometime and you can filter linux only games on the store.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Metascore&sort_order=DESC&category1=998&os=linux
Think about what helps sell consoles. The games. People buy a PlayStation because they want to play Uncharted or Resistance or Killzone and people buy an Xbox because they want to play Halo or Forza. So where is this missing hook for the Steam Machines... I wonder how many folk will bother if there are no exclusive games which you can't play on other platforms - Mac and Windows PCs included as the five titles I list above are not.
HL3?
That's probably the only one that has enough buzz about it. I know there are things like Total War, Company of Heroes, SimCity, etc. but they're all mouse-driven and aren't arguably system sellers.
But by putting HL3 on to SteamOS exclusively, they risk some kind of uproar from Windows Steam users.