Londoners: PM 'not ruling out' Tube strike ban

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The PM has not ruled out a ban on tube strikes as part of the next Tory manifesto.

What do you make of this?

I for one would be in support of banning all strikes on the underground that have

1. Not gone to compulsory mediation in the first instance; and

2. Not then got the majority vote of 50% plus 1 to go ahead.

Within the article you will see Bob Crow spouting off that "Throughout history hard-right governments of the rich, for the rich, have swung the axe at the unions and it will be Tube workers today and firefighters and nurses tomorrow." For me, I fail to see how for tube strikers this is about wealth. We all know the reported salaries the tube drivers themselves earn, such as the reported case of one tube driver earning over £60k a year, almost as much as an MP. I don't claim to know everything about what TFL staff get, but I don't see how they can all really have it that tough. In fact, some of the benefits are as follows:

(1) 30 days holiday a year
(2) Free oystercard travel for themselves and a person living in the same house ( savings obviously vary depending on where you live, but typically you are looking at probably about £3k worth of free travel here )
(3) cosy pension arrangements
(4) 75% discount on National Rail season ticket (can also get a season ticket loan)
(5) private medical insurance

Even those entering the graduate scheme earn a minimum of £26k a year.

In light of all this I really do not see how those working for TFL get it all that bad. I'm not saying there should be redundancies and I'm not saying they should never be allowed to strike, but there should be more stringent barriers to letting them. Crowe goes on to say "Any attack on RMT Tube members' rights will be met by an all out campaign of industrial and political opposition." Well what about the rights of all other working in London? All of us who are held to ransom by the rights and grievances of tube workers? It's all about them and there never seems to be any compromise on their part. Meanwhile all we as workers in London can do is just sit tight and take it on the chin. Where's the fairness in that?
 
I agree with mediation - pendulum mediation to be exact.

2. Not then got the majority vote of 50% plus 1 to go ahead.

Only if they then remove all the mp's that didn't get the same share of the vote.

You can't have one form of democracy for one group and a different form for another.
 
I'm in favour of this.

It'll be interesting to know just why the average TfL worker feels so aggrieved with their present conditions that they wish to strike.
 
I agree with mediation - pendulum mediation to be exact.



Only if they then remove all the mp's that didn't get the same share of the vote.

You can't have one form of democracy for one group and a different form for another.

But a majority to a yes/no question is 50%+1, in a by election there may be many more than 2 candidates so whoever gets the most votes wins. Simple, fair and exactly the same.
 
If we have any TFL workers in the house, please feel free to enlighten us as per Kishywish's comments.

Why?
 
So rather than your union/place of employment paying a better wage with benefits you want their members to "suffer" like you? What is wrong with us Brits ?
 
Who said I suffer? I suffer when I can't get to work in a timely manner because they go on strike.

I like my job, I think I get it pretty easy but that's because I enjoy it. The benefits aren't fantastic, but I don't bitch and whine about it. I know the legal profession is highly competitive and so I am grateful that I at least have my foot in the door. I am not grateful that I pay over the odds travel fares which goes towards "upgrades" and some poor souls "measly" £60k a year salary.
 
im not grateful i pay over the odds legal fees that go towards skiing holidays and some poor souls measly salary either.
 
Who said I suffer? I suffer when I can't get to work in a timely manner because they go on strike.

I like my job, I think I get it pretty easy but that's because I enjoy it. The benefits aren't fantastic, but I don't bitch and whine about it. I know the legal profession is highly competitive and so I am grateful that I at least have my foot in the door. I am not grateful that I pay over the odds travel fares which goes towards "upgrades" and some poor souls "measly" £60k a year salary.


£60k is that all! living out a bag for London. Oh I see it's £60k for the highest earner with all perks so not £60k.
 
bit of a populist move tbh... then again they seem to have bitten the hand that feeds them way too many times

I use the overground network these days, tube strikes used to be a complete pain when I lived closer to central London. They need to have some means of collectively bargaining for pay but bring chaos to large parts of central London isn't on its way too much leverage for one group of workers to have.

Ideally we should get driver-less trains in place ASAP...
 
Aye, but if we move to driver-less trains surely we're then only one move away from no staff on the underground at all....
 
Aye, but if we move to driver-less trains surely we're then only one move away from no staff on the underground at all....


That's what Cameron want's. No staff, muggins goes up people on trains go down so he sells it off to his mates the same his doing to the NHS.
 
I'm not sure I agree with banning strikes. But I'd be ok with replacing drivers with driverless trains as soon as it can be safely done.
 
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