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As I said the other day,what happens now with all the people who ****ged of Nvidia because AMD are better price performance? If the new top end is same price as the 780 then thats over priced as well is it not? By the logic of some of the Nvida haters they cant buy the 290x can they?

Nvidia pricing is a joke, which has enabled AMD to slot right into the 780 pricepoint, this AMD user cried foul at AMDs £420+ 7970 release pricing which was also a joke and a slap in the face.

Because of Titan's rip off price point, the 780 price point seemed more 'acceptable'=job done for over still more over excessive priced but now added to the second fastest vendor product, pathetic tbh as £550 is meant to come across as a 'bargain' as 780 is ever so slightly slower than Titan.

lol the AMD boys will just change their tune and make up some reason for why it's worth the price tag.

It's no where near worth it's price tag, £400-£450 tops is what it's worth over the normal 79 series pricing(7950's@£230, 7970's@£300, before the eol clearance pricing).

So no, I won't be purchasing a gpu that's slower for my needs in every shape or form over my current 7950 Ice-Q CrossFire setup that cost ~£400 at the start of the year as it's been considerably faster than a Titan, why would I want to pay ~£350 for slower performance???
 
It's no where near worth it's price tag, £400-£450 tops is what it's worth over the normal 79 series pricing(7950's@£230, 7970's@£300, before the eol clearance pricing).

So no, I won't be purchasing a gpu that's slower for my needs in every shape or form over my current 7950 Ice-Q CrossFire setup that cost ~£400 at the start of the year as it's been considerably faster than a Titan, why would I want to pay ~£350 for slower performance???

Wasn't aimed at you but some people will defend the price if it's the same as a 780 even though they've posted lolnvidia pricing before.

Some of them still seem to think it will only be £400 lol.
 
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If it is considerably faster than a 780 or even beats Titan, then yes the fanboys will defend the pricing as it's pushing out faster than a £800 gpu for considerably less, but the end user is the loser(THAT MOST ARE BLIND TO THE FACT) with overinflated pricing kicked off by Titan and it's knock on effect-which I was slaughtered for at times for attacking Titan pricing for stating this would happen...

Some have short memories in here, Nvidia fanboys slaughtered 7970 gouged pricing to then argue from the rooftops that Titan pricing was fine, problem being AMD didn't cause the current 2nd tier pricing that Nvidia employed due to Titan pricing.

If Titan was priced@£600, 780 would probably have came in as a direct replacement price for the 680-the card it replaced, Titan was simply an excercise in bumping up gpu pricing.

If we were getting double performance gains then it would be a different story, but the gains you get for the money paid is pathetic imho and that's why my 7950's will sit in my rig for some time yet.
 
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If it is considerably faster than a 780 or even beats Titan, then yes the fanboys will defend the pricing as it's pushing out faster than a £800 gpu for considerably less, but the end user is the loser(THAT MOST ARE BLIND TO THE FACT) with overinflated pricing kicked off by Titan and it's knock on effect.

Some have short memories in here, Nvidia fanboys slaughtered 7970 gouged pricing to then argue from the rooftops that Titan pricing was fine, problem being AMD didn't cause the current 2nd tier pricing that Nvidia employed due to Titan pricing.

If Titan was priced@£600, 780 would probably have came in as a direct replacement price for the 680-the card it replaced, Titan was simply an excercise in bumping up gpu pricing.

If we were getting double performance gains then it would be a different story, but the gains you get for the money paid is pathetic imho and that's why my 7950's will sit in my rig for some time yet.

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If it is considerably faster than a 780 or even beats Titan, then yes the fanboys will defend the pricing as it's pushing out faster than a £800 gpu for considerably less, but the end user is the loser(THAT MOST ARE BLIND TO THE FACT) with overinflated pricing kicked off by Titan and it's knock on effect-which I was slaughtered for at times for attacking Titan pricing for stating this would happen...

Some have short memories in here, Nvidia fanboys slaughtered 7970 gouged pricing to then argue from the rooftops that Titan pricing was fine, problem being AMD didn't cause the current 2nd tier pricing that Nvidia employed due to Titan pricing.

If Titan was priced@£600, 780 would probably have came in as a direct replacement price for the 680-the card it replaced, Titan was simply an excercise in bumping up gpu pricing.

If we were getting double performance gains then it would be a different story, but the gains you get for the money paid is pathetic imho and that's why my 7950's will sit in my rig for some time yet.

I have to agree! I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Titan owners kicking themselves now!
 
As I said the other day,what happens now with all the people who ****ged of Nvidia because AMD are better price performance? If the new top end is same price as the 780 then thats over priced as well is it not? By the logic of some of the Nvida haters they cant buy the 290x can they?

lol the AMD boys will just change their tune and make up some reason for why it's worth the price tag.

inb4 mantle inb4 dat soundchip

I remember being on these forums many a time and seeing the exact opposite. Stop trying to continue a brand divide - it's only a GPU for christ sake!

"Nvidia haters" "AMD boys" its pathetic.
 
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If it is considerably faster than a 780 or even beats Titan, then yes the fanboys will defend the pricing as it's pushing out faster than a £800 gpu for considerably less, but the end user is the loser(THAT MOST ARE BLIND TO THE FACT) with overinflated pricing kicked off by Titan and it's knock on effect-which I was slaughtered for at times for attacking Titan pricing for stating this would happen...

Some have short memories in here, Nvidia fanboys slaughtered 7970 gouged pricing to then argue from the rooftops that Titan pricing was fine, problem being AMD didn't cause the current 2nd tier pricing that Nvidia employed due to Titan pricing.

If Titan was priced@£600, 780 would probably have came in as a direct replacement price for the 680-the card it replaced, Titan was simply an excercise in bumping up gpu pricing.

If we were getting double performance gains then it would be a different story, but the gains you get for the money paid is pathetic imho and that's why my 7950's will sit in my rig for some time yet.
That's pretty much banged on on what happened.

Titan/GTX780's performance gain over the previous gen top card (7970/GTX680) is kind of a joke if comparing to the gain of like 8800GTX or Radeon 9700/9800 vs the top card in the gen before them with around 100% increase in performance.

I think all eyes are gonna be on the 290 (Hawaii Pro) rather than the 290x (Hawaii XT), as it might be the ONLY new top-end card that give good bang for bucks.

It's still really really a shame. I remember 6950/GTX570 being just around £220-£270 not that long ago, now for the supposed "same tier" of cards, now we have to expect to pay £100 extra across all range £330-£380...

We really got Titan to thank for inflating everything...
 
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I think all eyes are gonna be on the 290 (Hawaii Pro) rather than the 290x (Hawaii XT), as it might be the ONLY new top-end card that give good bang for bucks.

As a single card maybe, but at the mo 2x7950's are offering tremendous value for money at under £400 inc games!!My second-hand Twin Frozor cards (clock to a minimum of 1200/6000) ended up costing me around £260 after selling the games! :cool:
 
As a single card maybe, but at the mo 2x7950's are offering tremendous value for money at under £400 inc games!!My second-hand Twin Frozor cards (clock to a minimum of 1200/6000) ended up costing me around £260 after selling the games! :cool:
Yea but my only issue with crossfire is that I don't only play triple As titles like FPS etc by EA which would generally give decent crossfire support...games (particularly non-FPS) by other publishers/developers generally not support multi-GPUs that well and performance don't scale that well neither.
 
It's still really really a shame. I remember 6950/GTX570 being just around £220-£270 not that long ago, now for the supposed "same tier" of cards, now we have to expect to pay £100 extra across all range £330-£380...

We really got Titan to thank for inflating everything...

Definitely agree on that one.
 
Yep people do have short memorys..

It's not just 'Titan'. AMD priced 7XXX series way above any series they had previously released, at the time Nvidia launched a card that was faster (GTX 670 / 680) (Stock VS Stock) for a cheaper price.

So you could argue AMD started the price inflation..

However it's not that simple either. We also pay more VAT now, also some retailers are very greedy at launch and price well over RRP.

If anyone doesn't like the launch price, either shop around for a bargain (Got my 780 for 450 when they were 550) or wait for a few months, either way it's not the end of the world, not as if anybody 'needs' a 290X right now, two generation old cards are still kicking ass @ 1080P..

I like the fact that this time next year will probably be able to get 2 X 290X for the price of one, that's when I might pick some up :p.
 
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Yep people do have short memorys..

It's not just 'Titan'. AMD priced 7XXX series way above any series they had previously released, at the time Nvidia launched a card that was faster (GTX 670 / 680) (Stock VS Stock) for a cheaper price.

So you could argue AMD started the price inflation..

AMD launched the HD7970 at the price points of the GTX580 1.5GB and 3GB and Nvidia responded by doing nothing for months.

Its hilarious people find it OK for Nvidia for price their performance cards really highly,and then say in the same sentence AMD cannot.

The HD6970 was priced to match the GTX570,and was slower than the GTX580.

The HD7970 was faster than the GTX580,and the worlds fastest graphics card. Big difference.

Moreover,the GTX280,GTX285,GTX480 and GTX580 were all very expensive. The X1950XTX which was the fastest card at is release,was expensive. The 8800GTX was expensive.

People have very short memories about the 8800 Ultra,which was the equivalent price of the Geforce Titan.

In fact everytime, bar one, in the last 7 years that either AMD or Nvidia has held the fastest single card spot,the price has been high.

AMD did a highly unusual thing with the HD5870 in underpricing it for its peformance,which was rare.

If anything the period of relatively low cost performance cards was down to to AMD and the HD4850 and HD4870,which were incredibly cheap for their performance levels at launch,even they were not the fastest graphics card at the time. The HD5850 and HD5870 followed this and the HD6950 and HD6970 followed it to a much lesser degree.

You could argue that Nvidia by maintaining the the £390+ graphics card segment over the last 7 years(instead of doing an HD5800 or HD4800 series move),has had a direct hand in AMD trying to exploit that segment. This is considering they have boasted about how well their GTX690 and Geforece Titan/GTX780 sales have been. Of course AMD is going to exploit this,if there is money to be made. Its not some charity.

If you want to complain,its the people spending silly amounts(over £400) on getting that 20% to 30% boost. They are the reason why all of this is happening. You cannot blame companies when you have people,gifting away their money.
 
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If you want to complain,its the people spending silly amounts(over £400) on getting that 20% to 30% boost,they are the reason why all of this is happening. You cannot blame companies when you have people,gifting away their money.

top end going to cost.
I waited 6 months before I got the 7970, not keen on early adoption due to price tends to be a bit much.

however the 290 seems to be a hot seller
 
Nvidia pricing is a joke, which has enabled AMD to slot right into the 780 pricepoint

Hold up there, cowbhoy!

AMD are in charge of their own pricing - it's not nVidia's fault that AMD are choosing to slot into a higher price point. The 'blame' for that solely rests with AMD.
 
Hold up there, cowbhoy!

AMD are in charge of their own pricing - it's not nVidia's fault that AMD are choosing to slot into a higher price point. The 'blame' for that solely rests with AMD.

No its the hypocracy that people complain at AMD pricing,while saying its OK for Nvidia to so,when they have pumped up the price for the +20% performance hike for years.

AMD had around a 20% to 30%(on average and dependent on the review) peformance boost with the HD7970 over the GTX580 3GB at launch,yet when the Geforce Titan and GTX780 had the same level of average improvement over the GTX680,people were just lapping them up in droves.

Hilarious.

What such people should do, is just wait until prices are more palatable in the first place.

Its their fault for showing no self control. If they want to pay the early adopter tax,then they should not pretend to complain.
 
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Some prices, only two I didn't purchase.

£249.99 - (2000) 3DFX Voodoo 5 5500 64MB
£359.99 - (2004) MSI ATI X800 XT P.E 256MB
£349.99 - (2006) HIS Radeon X1900XTX IceQ 3 Turbo 512MB
£379.99 - (2007) BFG GeForce 8800 GTX OC 768MB
£469.99 - (2007) EVGA 8800 GTX Superclocked 768MB
£328.89 - (2009) BFG GEFORCE GTX 285 1024MB
£419.74 - (2009) BFG GEFORCE GTX 295 1792MB
£182.85 - (2009) SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON HD 4890 VAPOR-X 2GB
£219.98 - (2010) Asus ATI Radeon HD 5850 1024MB
£221.99 - (2011) XFX ATI Radeon 6950 2048MB
£305.99 - (2011) Gigabyte GeForce GTX 570 1280MB
£413.95 - (2012) Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 2048MB
£365.99 - (2012) Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 Windforce 3X 2048MB
£431.99 - (2012) MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning 2048MB
£539.99 - (2013) GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 780 3GB
£569.99 - (2013) Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 WindForce 3x OC 3072MB
 
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