Did you agree with the Strike today?

Lazder said:
You should go and talk to republicans, they threw a hissy fit which pretty much shut down all federal sector... Bad example pfft, those people are the whipped cream of the society, best of the best and they are allowed to do that for fun and at no loss to themselves... Teachers at least lose their wage...
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Not entirely sure here but you seem to be saying it is a good thing to take action whilst at the same time lambasting those that take action?
 
Raymond Lin said:
I never said capitulate or give in.

I said I support the protest, I just don't agree with a strike.
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But striking is a legitimate form of protest when other measures have failed. I used it as a good education for my lad on Marxism.

You've still failed to answer why it is disgusting re children etc. I then gave you an example where I said I had done the same and you've yet to answer whether that was disgusting too or whether there are caveats to your rule.
 
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RDM said:
That's not really how schools will present a strike though, more like "Reminder, the teachers are striking tomorrow so do not turn up." Which fails to get across the more subtle nuances of why they are striking and for what.
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The strike isn't against the parents though. It's focus is on those who actually wield the power to change things for them. The parents are the vehicle they can pressure and instigate the change with.
 
RDM said:
Not entirely sure here but you seem to be saying it is a good thing to take action whilst at the same time lambasting those that take action?
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There is no distinct good and evil here, this isnt a fairy tale... I am saying that compared to what politicians do like in USA teachers are causing near to none damage while damaging themselves. If politicians in USA can throw a hissy fit without damaging themselves teachers should not be lectured on morals of their actions especially when they are losing money for it.

Pretty sure republicans wont lose their daily wage for as long as the government is shut for...
 
slightly off topic.

A friend of mine who went into teaching after university because the government had a scheme that they will pay back your student loan if you do, so he did it to avoid paying off his student loan, not because he likes teaching, at the time I thought he would end up being a pimp with the amount of girls he dated uni than anything else....anyway, not spoken to him in agessss and a couple of months ago found out he is the headmaster in an international school in Seychelles.

Doesn't that make you sick? :p
 
I thought we weren't joking in this thread Raymond.

I'm not sure how it's supposed to make anyone sick though.

Maybe you've forgotten the key, sickly feeling inducing part?
 
Xordium said:
The strike isn't against the parents though. It's focus is on those who actually wield the power to change things for them. The parents are the vehicle they can pressure and instigate the change with.
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Yeah but you said it would be showing the kids a good example, unless the proper reasons for the strike are explained to the kids (and currently it isn't being) then they aren't really showing the kids a good example.
 
RDM said:
Poor argument. Shoots themselves in the foot by appealing to the "democratic heritage of the country", by setting themselves against the government they are effectively saying "Teachers rights are more important than the democratic heritage of the country".
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No it doesn't
 
For those of you saying you disagree with teachers striking, what alternative do you offer for them to get what they want? Asking nicely doesn't work in negotiations.
 
RDM said:
Yeah but you said it would be showing the kids a good example, unless the proper reasons for the strike are explained to the kids (and currently it isn't being) then they aren't really showing the kids a good example.
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Thats because the parents haven't got a clue.Nothing to do with the teachers.

Parents feed off the media. The negative connotations of the strikes by the media that have an interest in government are evidence of this.
 
RDM said:
If it did happen on a wide scale basis it would rapidly lead to a change in policy though. Large enough percentage of teachers handed in their notice policy would shift pdq.
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No it wouldn't - the Tories are actively pressing for less qualified and lower paid teachers my removing the requirement to have a degree in order to teach.

They'd love it if all the current qualified teachers quit and moved to a different industry - which is why the Tories are mounting multi-pronged attacks on the teaching profession to encourage teachers to do just that. Then they can just pull in any Joe Bloggs looking for a job, give them a script to follow and "teach" Gooves new indoctrinating nationalist syllabus.
 
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spoffle said:
I thought we weren't joking in this thread Raymond.

I'm not sure how it's supposed to make anyone sick though.

Maybe you've forgotten the key, sickly feeling inducing part?
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I thought it is ironic that he went into the profession for the money, ended up making a mint living in paradise. Whereas the teachers on strike is striking for a job that they love over money.
 
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