GF wants me to go to church with her......

Hire an 'Annoying devil' outfit and turn up screaming hellfire and brimstone! Maybe find some tasty verses from the satanic bible online and quote them here and there :D
 
hurfdurf said:
If fidelity to freedom and democracy is the code of our civic religion then surely the code of our humanity is faithful service to that unwritten commandment that says "We shall give our children better than we ourselves had."

Religion is no longer necessary now we are more self aware, and it is holding us back both in its various rules and the simple principle that one can simply have faith in something for it to be true when science, logic, facts and truth are so important nowadays. We need to try and end it. With logical and correct thinking we would have ended the war on drugs and legalised gay and interacial marriage far earlier, these are just a few things that the principle of policies and thinking based on feeling and faith that hold us back
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In your opinion.

Honestly, your speeches....

What is it you do again?
 
^TANK^ said:
Tell your girlfriend that you're not gullible and to get with the 21st century and grow up.
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hurfdurf said:
If fidelity to freedom and democracy is the code of our civic religion then surely the code of our humanity is faithful service to that unwritten commandment that says "We shall give our children better than we ourselves had."

Religion is no longer necessary now we are more self aware, and it is holding us back both in its various rules and the simple principle that one can simply have faith in something for it to be true when science, logic, facts and truth are so important nowadays. We need to try and end it. With logical and correct thinking we would have ended the war on drugs and legalised gay and interacial marriage far earlier, these are just a few things that the principle of policies and thinking based on feeling and faith that hold us back
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This essentially means "my group of people says your group of people are stupid and wrong, and my group is definitely right".

This is no different to the religious folk you moan about. You are allowing one group of people to tell you what your opinions are, the only difference is the specifics of your opinion.

This is what amuses me the most about athiests, they are so unwilling to admit or accept that they're doing the same thing as the religious people they despite (being told what their opinions are).

When you lot go on about science, you are more often than not just regurgitating stuff you've read or heard others say, and are taking it on faith that it is correct. I'm not saying you're wrong or incorrect, but you yourself don't know 100% that these scientific things you talk about are 100% correct.
 
lowrider007 said:
Girl friend wants me to go to church her occasionally (once a month), it's a local Pentecostal church, I wouldn't mind if it was a 'regular' church, I'd pop in with her now and again but this a Pentecostal church and is crazy strict with their rules and they push you hard to try and bring you into their 'flock', I don't mind the Bible but I am dead against these types of places, only the other day a guy got chucked out because he was a known 'spiritualist'.

Is it unreasonable for me to flat out refuse to go?

What would you do if your partner/gf asked?
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They are evangelists so expect some prolesytising, but whether they banned a spiritualist or not is immaterial...the question is whether you want to share something that is an important part of who your Girlfriend is, and I think that depends on whether your feeling toward her are sufficently serious to warrant putting aside a couple of hours of comfort for her on occassion..I go along to some Church stuff with my family, it's not my thing, and I am not a member of the Church or Religion...but it is important to my wife so I go along. As a rule it's ok, given my occupation it can be a little awkward when I listen to the sermons and disagree with the interpretation etc, particularly if the Bishop is around as he invariably asks my thoughts on it....but the local priest is pretty open and friendly so I let it go...it's not what's important...my family is.

While I do not know which form of Pentecostalism your GF church is, I went to one some time ago, and all the Gospel singing and dancing about was a ton of fun tbh...but in it all Pentecostal churches are like that unfortunately.

However, it should also be said that your feelings are also important and if going to a church is really antithetical to your own beliefs and principles then she should accept that, just as you accept her beliefs and principles, if you both cannot come to some compromise then I would, unfortunately, say that perhaps you are both suited elsewhere in your relationships.

Ultimately this is something you should discuss with your GF rather than listening to the drum-thumpers in GD.
 
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How would she feel if you went to keep her happy but knew that you didn't care and didn't dig it? Surely there's not much point going unless you're at least curious. There'd be some hypocrisy.

GD answer: Kill your way to the head of the church and father the AntiChrist.
 
had the same situation OP only less intense church but I don't believe in that stuff unfortunately. I went with her as its important to her and to show her support in a tough time, frankly if I did believe in it, life would be much easier.

After I told her the truth that I find the whole thing a bit odd and therefore not for me (which I'd told her before also.) She finds strength in it though, so I encourage her to go.
 
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Castiel said:
They are evangelists so expect some prolesytising, but whether they banned a spiritualist or not is immaterial...the question is whether you want to share something that is an important part of who your Girlfriend is, and I think that depends on whether your feeling toward her are sufficently serious to warrant putting aside a couple of hours of comfort for her on occassion..I go along to some Church stuff with my family, it's not my thing, and I am not a member of the Church or Religion...but it is important to my wife so I go along. As a rule it's ok, given my occupation it can be a little awkward when I listen to the sermons and disagree with the interpretation etc, particularly if the Bishop is around as he invariably asks my thoughts on it....but the local priest is pretty open and friendly so I let it go...it's not what's important...my family is.

While I do not know which form of Pentecostalism your GF church is, I went to one some time ago, and all the Gospel singing and dancing about was a ton of fun tbh...but in it all Pentecostal churches are like that unfortunately.

However, it should also be said that your feelings are also important and if going to a church is really antithetical to your own beliefs and principles then she should accept that, just as you accept her beliefs and principles, if you both cannot come to some compromise then I would, unfortunately, say that perhaps you are both suited elsewhere in your relationships.

Ultimately this is something you should discuss with your GF rather than listening to the drum-thumpers in GD.
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perhaps too personal and if so feel free to ignore but can I ask if you believe in a God or 'something'? Awkward due to your occupation, may I ask what that is? Also do you have kids? If not, has it been talked over that basically you will be attending throughout their life to give a good impression?
 
Scougar said:
lol.. it's a fair observation. One of the reasons I left one church was because they became too business focussed, and basically stopped doing teachings. Christians are just people and fallible like anyone else. Some are just plain A holes, and are there literally for the money (we got rid of them). Note: I haven't been regularly for at least 3 years.
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Why would they be anything less than fallible?


Dude, just don't go. It'll be a horrendous experience, she could get kicked out of her church, and besides, you'd have I listen to their *****.
 
At the end of you day, only you know if it's worth the discomfort or not.

As long as they don't expect you to convert (unless you end up wanting to ofc, but I doubt it from what you've said) then it should just be akin to being dragged to the in-laws for a boring visit (something you do to keep the peace :p).

Oh wait, I forgot this was GD - urmm... pics are required to determine if it's worth it.

Personally, I find being around extreme religious folk almost unnerving (when they start shouting & praying/crying as some do in the more intense Christian groups) - give me dull & boring CoE any day of the week (if I had to pick :D)
 
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spoffle said:
This essentially means "my group of people says your group of people are stupid and wrong, and my group is definitely right".

This is no different to the religious folk you moan about. You are allowing one group of people to tell you what your opinions are, the only difference is the specifics of your opinion.

This is what amuses me the most about athiests, they are so unwilling to admit or accept that they're doing the same thing as the religious people they despite (being told what their opinions are).

When you lot go on about science, you are more often than not just regurgitating stuff you've read or heard others say, and are taking it on faith that it is correct. I'm not saying you're wrong or incorrect, but you yourself don't know 100% that these scientific things you talk about are 100% correct.
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You say that, but our agenda is factual, not fantastical.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
You say that, but our agenda is factual, not fantastical.
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Well, having an agenda is one of the problems, the second problem is that you're taking all this scientific stuff you use to rebuke people's beliefs as being 100% factual on faith as you don't know yourself that these things you talk about ARE factual.

Ergo, you're just as bad but refuse to acknowledge it. Most religious folk at least accept their beliefs are taken on faith.

In addition to that, the reality is that facts and the truth is subjective. If something is true to someone, it's true to them. The same goes for both sides.

(I'm not saying absolute truth is subjective, but rather whether something is true or not is subjective because it only needs someone to believe it to be true for them to take it as the truth)
 
spoffle said:
Well, having an agenda is one of the problems, the second problem is that you're taking all this scientific stuff you use to rebuke people's beliefs as being 100% factual on faith as you don't know yourself that these things you talk about ARE factual.

Ergo, you're just as bad but refuse to acknowledge it. Most religious folk at least accept their beliefs are taken on faith.
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Evidence based beliefs at least attemptt I be faithful. The primary difference is that we look for an answer to our questions that can be determined in an experiment, or at the very least is compounded reputable sources. We also change our stance depending on the evidence.

There is little to no evidence that proves the things that exclusively apply to religion that religious people believe.
 
OP it depends how much you are into her. If its an occasional visit and there's a social aspect attached to it, then surely it can't be that bad. You don't have to be converted or brought into their flock.
 
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