GF wants me to go to church with her......

People who believe religion without doubt lack education imo.

There's so much information out there, just educate yourselves. Watch space / biology documentaries and any sane person with an open mind and intelligence should be able to weigh up what actually happened. Was man created or did we evolve over millions of years. What is the most likely outcome.

The day we find life on other planets should hopefully steer us in the correct direction.
 
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Amen to that

Johnnytoxic said:
People who believe religion without doubt lack education imo.

There's so much information out there, just educate yourselves. Watch space / biology documentaries and any sane person with an open mind and intelligence should be able to weigh up what actually happened. Was man created or did we evolve over millions of years. What is the most likely outcome.

The day we find life on other planets should hopefully steer us in the correct direction.
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Just like my church going mother inlaw who insists dinosaurs never lived or existed.
Stupid cow.
 
6 pages too late but i would refuse. i actually did refuse. (although in a different way)

we decided to get married and the mrs wanted a church, i told her to jog on, ended up getting married in the MGM grand in Las Vegas. result.
 
Some crazy ex of mine did that to me when I was like 18 and she was 16. There were people screaming and jibbering. Afterwards her family asked em what I though of it and I just burst out laughing. Crazy ********
 
Castiel said:
I am an agnostic, so I have neither active belief nor disbelief in God(s)...I have a 14 year old Son, I am a Cognitive and Historical Linguist who specialises in the areas of Indo-European and Semitic cultural and religious study, including extensive research in such areas as the Bible, The Qu'ran and other related languages, translations and literature.

I am not sure what you mean by 'have you talked over, good impression, or whose life?" I'll answer if you clarify?
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apologies, I phased that terribly but thank you for answering. I would consider myself agnostic also, though not a well researched one. Sounds like you'd be one interesting fellow to chat to!

Well I do not have kids but if it did get to that stage with the better half she would want me to always attend church 'as a family' to set a good impression for the children. I can understand this but put simply I don't really like church due to awful experiences with horrible people from the church (yes horrible people, not claiming all church or all religion/religious people are terrible) and as mentioned I don't believe so it seems a waste of time. I can certainly see her point in setting a christian example, I think it is a good thing and if I didn't go along I can easily foresee, "Dad isn't going so I'm not going!"

So I guess did the above occur in your family? Did you attend church regularly while your son was growing up? If not, does he understand you're agnostic while potentially believing in God himself?
 
If you don't want to go - don't. I wouldn't expect friends of mine who are not Christian to join me at church. They will come for our wedding of course, but I'm not expecting them to do anything they don't want. However some of them are interested in aspects of my faith, and talk to me about it. I'm not evangelistic about it.

There's no point in doing something which you don't believe in. If you want to support her though, perhaps you should just grin an bear it? I've been invited to Jewish and Muslim events in the past, and whilst I didn't understand what was going on - it was quite interesting to be part of the experience.

If you're vehemently against it though tell her. There is no point in stewing in bitterness whilst there.

As usual I love all the aggressive "lol religion" posting - it's comforting :p However it's good to know that I am "stupid" "lacking education" "ignorant" "a ****" and goodness knows what else. Fortunately, I'm happy in myself as are those around me.
 
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But because Stephen Hawking is a scientist, many people will say "oh he has to be right". Which is kind of like blind faith...

Science *is* the new religion, and has been for years. Any time you want people to believe something these days, you simply say "scientists believe..." Doesn't matter what kind of scientist (they never differentiate physicists from geologists in these reports), as long as a scientist has a theory about something, it's OK for the masses to just go along with it.
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I think you're confusing a theory with a hypothesis.

What you've said might be a common position of the daily mail who seemingly have a habit or grabbing published research which they can then misinterpret and turn into sensationalist headlines but its not really how 'the scientific method' works.

Someone can present a falsifiable position, new ideas are published openly, experiments repeated by others... new research which challenges current thinking is going to be especially scrutinised... people don't just blindly follow every new claim made rather they're inherently skeptical. No not every single person is going to repeat every single piece of original research.... but to claim that is faith? In that sense its about as reliant on faith as much as the existence of Australia relies on 'faith' for someone, like myself, who's never been there... I'm reliant on others - though its fairly improbably that the rest of the world has conspired against me to make up the existence of an entire country - there is an abundance of evidence for its existence - I think any 'faith' in its existence is pretty plausible.

Faith on the other hand in 'God'... I mean where do you even start... its hard to even define what 'God' is - some form of magic sky pixie - a literal grey bearded bloke living up in the sky? Something more abstract/philosophical? As for living your life by some book which you're supposed to follow mostly as a result of being born into a family which follows that particular book, and that particular interpretation of it.... it relies on a lot of faith in the accounts of a lot of random people from a much more primitive society... we already know that plenty of completely separate human societies invent god(s), invent stories to explain away observations that occur in nature which they didn't have any understanding of. Individuals, leaders of groups of people, through history have claimed to either be gods or to have special connections to gods... Someone believing they're special, developing a personality cult etc.. isn't a unique phenomenon. To base your life around this sort of thing requires rather a lot of 'faith' and dare I say rather a lot of head-in-sand denial of anything which might challenge your faith. Its not too surprising that a lot of people will quite flippantly dismiss such 'faith' given the real damage that can be caused to society in the name of these irrational beliefs.
 
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Shicky said:
So I guess did the above occur in your family? Did you attend church regularly while your son was growing up? If not, does he understand you're agnostic while potentially believing in God himself?
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There is no compulsion to attend Church or believe in any religion in our family...my son goes to a Catholic School (for educational reasons rather than religious ones) and sometimes we go to Church together, but neither I nor he is a Catholic, that decision will be his to make when he feels he is ready to make that decision for himself. My wife is not especially devout, it isn't an every Sunday thing, and we do not always go with her, or most times I go and my son is doing other stuff he enjoys..it is just on various occasions we all go together as a family and sometimes we all support the work the local Church does in our community, but then we also support the local CofE church as well, personally we feel that something right in our community should be supported, whatever religion or secular ideology that instigates it is largely immaterial, and charity for others is a good example to give our son.

We ensure any Catholic religious education my son receives is tempered with other world-views, both spiritual and secular...then it is up to him to decide...currently like most boys of 14 his religion is rock music, gaming and girls...I don't think God really enters his perception., other than Thor in The Avengers or The Almighty Johnsons.
 
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Talking about religion here is like trying to get sense out of a retarded child with a single digit IQ.

The only people here who'll talk about it sensibly are liberal, ecumenical and have all their knowledge from incorrect secular sources. You might aswell ask Obama how to run a functioning government.

For Example.
Castiel said:
There is no compulsion to attend Church or believe in any religion in our family...my son goes to a Catholic School (for educational reasons rather than religious ones) and sometimes we go to Church together, but neither I nor he is a Catholic, that decision will be his to make when he feels he is ready to make that decision for himself. My wife is not especially devout, it isn't an every Sunday thing, and we do not always go with her, or most times I go and my son is doing other stuff he enjoys..it is just on various occasions we all go together as a family and sometimes we all support the work the local Church does in our community, but then we also support the local CofE church as well, personally we feel that something right in our community should be supported, whatever religion or secular ideology that instigates it is largely immaterial, and charity for others is a good example to give our son.

We ensure any Catholic religious education my son receives is tempered with other world-views, both spiritual and secular...then it is up to him to decide...currently like most boys of 14 his religion is rock music, gaming and girls...I don't think God really enters his perception., other than Thor in The Avengers.
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Kamwah said:
Talking about religion here is like trying to get sense out of a retarded child with a single digit IQ.

The only people here who'll talk about it sensibly are liberal, ecumenical and have all their knowledge from incorrect secular sources. You might aswell ask Obama how to run a functioning government.
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My knowledge comes from anything but secular sources..but carry on making ridiculous comments about people you know nothing about. The irony in your statement is noted.
 
Trade church going for something you want. Like back-door sex.

More seriously: I don't think I could date someone who was seriously religious, too much conflict of ideals. I wouldn't go to church for someone anymore than I would become vegetarian for someone.
 
Did the OP ever go? I was going to suggest an alternative to not going which was that he go, pretend to get really taken in by it all and become some raving religious nut who demands his girlfriend succumb and offer her body (read: bum) to he, the hand and penis of God! Or some such.
 
dowie said:
I think you're confusing a theory with a hypothesis.

What you've said might be a common position of the daily mail who seemingly have a habit or grabbing published research which they can then misinterpret and turn into sensationalist headlines but its not really how 'the scientific method' works.
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I was merely making the point that people ("the masses") won't question things, as long as your news report contains the words "scientists think" or "scientists believe", doesn't matter who they are or how theoretical/unproven their hypothesis are, that's good enough for your average reader/viewer.

In years gone by people believed what the Church told them (without question). These days ordinary people believe whatever is on Nat Geo/Discovery/the news, so long as you have the words "scientists think", that's the cue for people to take everything that follows as fact.

Now some would say "good", "great". But is blind faith in cutting-edge research, which may or may not be highly theoretical, and as yet unproven, any better than blind faith in anything else?

Please don't get the impression that I'm against scientific progress. Totally the opposite. But we seem to have replaced blind faith in religion with blind faith in science, and developed a willingness to believe everything on TV as long as there is some guy in a lab coat being interviewed ;)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that science is performed by human beings, fallible creatures that we are, and that scientific progress is as much about finding that your models are completely wrong, and starting again, as it is about confirming your hypothesis.

Who's to say that our current understanding of sub-atomic particles won't be revised or thrown out at some point in the future?
 
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