hmmm weird matts dropped his AMD love shield in this thread. maybe hes buying a nvidia card soon
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Are Valve and AMD about to ruin PC gaming?
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I keep seeing articles like this where the author witters on about SteamOS as if it's not going to be just a skin for a Linux distro.
Valve are only doing this to hedge against MS, invest only as much money as necessary to spook MS into doing what Valve wants, if MS get stubborn, Valve invest more money into making it a viable competitor to Windows. Until then I doubt SteamOS will be nothing major.
Valve are only doing this to hedge against MS, invest only as much money as necessary to spook MS into doing what Valve wants, if MS get stubborn, Valve invest more money into making it a viable competitor to Windows. Until then I doubt SteamOS will be nothing major.
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Well first, he seems to think PC's are only PC's if they involve Windows.
SEcondly I think SteamOS will get huge download numbers, lots of people trying it, and very little usage.
Why, because I've played Witcher 2 loads today while alt tabbing out to check e-mails watching tv on another screen, browsing, downloading, etc, etc. Can I do that on SteamOS, not that likely. I'm really interested to see what SteamOS is like but it's sounding very much like it will be a console like OS without a huge amount of openness(for support/simplicity of making sure everything works). Maybe it will be far more Linux and allow you to install anything you can install on linux, even allowing a Linux version of Origin to be installed...... but I somehow doubt that is the way they've gone.
For most PC gamers the inefficiency/inconvenience of switching between SteamOS and Windows constantly when they want to do other more "PC" things than console like things will quickly become sticking with Windows.
I think we'll see most people who buy a Steambox quickly dual boot it with windows, or maybe a full linux distro for usability and many people realise a full price PC with a console OS was a really bad idea. This is again based on the idea of SteamOS being more console like, considering they've mentioned adding "media" features like Netflix, well if it were a normal Linux distro with open ability to do anything you would just browse to the netflix website. It sounds like they need a Netflix app, like Xbox/ps4/tv's have because it won't be easy to use it otherwise which suggests a much more locked down style OS like a console.
Either way, the PC needs to be more fragmented, Windows is gash, DX should die, the choice to be able to run Android(in the future though it's Linux based isn't it?), any linux distro, SteamOS or Windows and have the games install fine on any platform with a likely opengl/mantle API crossplatform support... that is great for consumers and gamers alike.
Quite literally DX could be canned tomorrow, it's still there in it's current version working, all old games would work. If every new game simply supported openGL(with or without Mantle as well) gaming would instantly work on any platform. Neither console actually use Direct X as is on the PC so replacing it is no big deal. As said if every game dev went console api's and openGL just outright replaced their work on direct X api support, it would be no more work but suddenly work on any OS basically.
The entire point of PC's is choice of hardware and software, the thing PC gaming has lacked is the ability to choose your OS as well due to an artificial lock in with DX that started years ago and till now was never really challenged.
Currently though the only engine we know about that has Mantle.... uses DX as well, it will work on all Windows PC's, if there is also the option to work on SteamOS... how is that making gaming harder, more difficult or any problem.
The only thing to talk about is SteamOS gives us another choice, more API's opens up gaming on alternative platforms and gives gamers a choice in their OS. The ONLY people this is even the slightest problem for is game dev's who will have to support more API's....... that is completely removed from end users.
Dice adding Mantle and maybe full openGL support for SteamOS/linux won't effect a single Windows gamer, if they don't want to install Mantle or use SteamOS it will work on DX just like any game before.
There is NO change at all for an "average" PC gamer who wants to stick with Windows as they have done for years. There is merely added options which no one is forcing anyone into at all.
SEcondly I think SteamOS will get huge download numbers, lots of people trying it, and very little usage.
Why, because I've played Witcher 2 loads today while alt tabbing out to check e-mails watching tv on another screen, browsing, downloading, etc, etc. Can I do that on SteamOS, not that likely. I'm really interested to see what SteamOS is like but it's sounding very much like it will be a console like OS without a huge amount of openness(for support/simplicity of making sure everything works). Maybe it will be far more Linux and allow you to install anything you can install on linux, even allowing a Linux version of Origin to be installed...... but I somehow doubt that is the way they've gone.
For most PC gamers the inefficiency/inconvenience of switching between SteamOS and Windows constantly when they want to do other more "PC" things than console like things will quickly become sticking with Windows.
I think we'll see most people who buy a Steambox quickly dual boot it with windows, or maybe a full linux distro for usability and many people realise a full price PC with a console OS was a really bad idea. This is again based on the idea of SteamOS being more console like, considering they've mentioned adding "media" features like Netflix, well if it were a normal Linux distro with open ability to do anything you would just browse to the netflix website. It sounds like they need a Netflix app, like Xbox/ps4/tv's have because it won't be easy to use it otherwise which suggests a much more locked down style OS like a console.
Either way, the PC needs to be more fragmented, Windows is gash, DX should die, the choice to be able to run Android(in the future though it's Linux based isn't it?), any linux distro, SteamOS or Windows and have the games install fine on any platform with a likely opengl/mantle API crossplatform support... that is great for consumers and gamers alike.
Quite literally DX could be canned tomorrow, it's still there in it's current version working, all old games would work. If every new game simply supported openGL(with or without Mantle as well) gaming would instantly work on any platform. Neither console actually use Direct X as is on the PC so replacing it is no big deal. As said if every game dev went console api's and openGL just outright replaced their work on direct X api support, it would be no more work but suddenly work on any OS basically.
The entire point of PC's is choice of hardware and software, the thing PC gaming has lacked is the ability to choose your OS as well due to an artificial lock in with DX that started years ago and till now was never really challenged.
Currently though the only engine we know about that has Mantle.... uses DX as well, it will work on all Windows PC's, if there is also the option to work on SteamOS... how is that making gaming harder, more difficult or any problem.
The only thing to talk about is SteamOS gives us another choice, more API's opens up gaming on alternative platforms and gives gamers a choice in their OS. The ONLY people this is even the slightest problem for is game dev's who will have to support more API's....... that is completely removed from end users.
Dice adding Mantle and maybe full openGL support for SteamOS/linux won't effect a single Windows gamer, if they don't want to install Mantle or use SteamOS it will work on DX just like any game before.
There is NO change at all for an "average" PC gamer who wants to stick with Windows as they have done for years. There is merely added options which no one is forcing anyone into at all.
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They should link that article to the online anagram dictionary for the term FUD. Nothing has changed for developers, infact its a lot easier for them having standardised hardware across all the major platforms. If (and this is a big if) the steam os becomes a success then it will be financially beneficial for companies to code to open gl once again. I really don't see what the problem is.
My biggest gron on this whole affair is with the op. Copy, paste, post and run without adding any input of their own to provoke discussion and debate.
My biggest gron on this whole affair is with the op. Copy, paste, post and run without adding any input of their own to provoke discussion and debate.
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Yep,yep and.......yep! Theres a lot praise being given and everyone is willing to give it a chance but if Nvidia had done it everyone would assume they were up to something
None for NVAPI either.
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I dont see that happening at all. SteamOS is for steamboxes which are meant to sit in front of the pc and used like a HTPC, but for games. I know plenty of people who use, for instance XBMC on their htpc, and have disabled the windows explorer shell because it only gets used for media.
My htpc is used for gaming and xbmc, and I launch games from steam without ever leaving xbmc. The computer is controlled via remote or xbox controller. The only time I break out a keyboard and mouse is when there's a problem and i have to open task manager or whatever. (And I do that by remoting in from another computer.)
The steambox will have two users:
1) People who want the ease of a console, but want to play pc games.
2) People who want a media centre that can play games.
Neither group will use it like a conventional pc. You don't use it to check email, or do productivity pc stuff.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/12/4...ler-game-to-explode-says-battlefield-director
Thought I'd post this here instead of a new thread in case the mods decide it's not graphics cards...
Thought I'd post this here instead of a new thread in case the mods decide it's not graphics cards...
And this is what grates me about some people on this forum. The fact that people like you demand an opinion from the person linking to an article. Why does LtMatt HAVE to give his opinion? A discussion will be provoked without his opinion, so why get wound up over it? He's merely posting it because it may be of interest to others. It's not as though he doesn't answer questions or discuss topics in the graphics card section. Hell, i hardly ever come in here, but he seems to be the most regular poster in GC.
We don't want to know about Matt's bowel movements
Link and runs in GD are annoying, less so in the specific interest subforums
The OP is not obliged to add his or her opinion when posting, its quite easy for the thread to start commenting wholly on what the OP said and not the article.
Let the quote and link from the article speak for itself.
Let the quote and link from the article speak for itself.
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Na, the only uproar/concern about Nvidia bringing instead of AMD would probably be the possibility of them artificially inflating the pricing of graphic cards across the range like Titan did, whereas the "Nvidia can do no wrong crowd" would be like "TAKE MY MONEY"
Na, the only uproar/concern about Nvidia bringing instead of AMD would probably be the possibility of them artificially inflating the pricing of graphic cards across the range like Titan did, whereas the "Nvidia can do no wrong crowd" would be like "TAKE MY MONEY"
I don't think NVidia will be getting any money out of me for a while, AMD beat them to it.
Valve has made it clear from the outset that SteamOS will be installable on any PC, that the Steam box won't be locked down (there'll be nothing to stop you installing Windows), and that they're meant to be upgradeable too. In that respect they're really just pre-built branded PCs with a specification that is guaranteed to run without any driver issues on SteamOS.
Valve has said they don't see why people should have to have a console for gaming and a PC for everything else, so it's very clear you'll be able to run apps alongside the Steam client.
Valve has said they don't see why people should have to have a console for gaming and a PC for everything else, so it's very clear you'll be able to run apps alongside the Steam client.