Madeleine McCann's parents

just seen the promo for Mondays program and Kate say they aren't the ones that have done wrong its the person/persons that took her.

if they hadn't left her and the 2 other kids on there own she couldn't have been kidnapped and she is lucky the other 2 kids didn't go with maddie
 
What it isn't is Child Neglect,

A single event is enough to meet the criteria. Just because it is commonly taught and thought to be ongoing does not mean a single event does not satisfactorily meet the criteria. There are a number of cases around the world where this has been legally tested and found to be true.
 
Living close to them is annoying tbh, keep seeing Kate around and about, gets tempting to say something...

Why don't you say something to Gerry instead?

It would make you a real man to go up to Kate and start belittling her about the disappearance of her daughter wouldn't it.
 
just seen the promo for Mondays program and Kate say they aren't the ones that have done wrong its the person/persons that took her.

But she has admitted her guilt in leaving her back in 2007:
Heartbroken mum Kate McCann quietly sobs as she speaks for the first time of her guilt about leaving little daughter Madeleine alone the night she was snatched. "I feel desperately sorry to her that we weren't there," she says.
"Every hour now, I still ask myself, 'Why did I think that was safe?' But it did feel safe and so right. I do feel regret. I've gone through all my life and said I never want to have any regrets, but you can't not regret something like that."
 
Pictures of men seen in and around the Portuguese town of Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance are to be released by British detectives.

A number of e-fits are to be shown in tomorrow night's episode of BBC Crimewatch in a bid to identify the men and eliminate innocent sightings, Scotland Yard said.

A short clip has been released ahead of the broadcast showing a reconstructed scene of Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry playing tennis.

Madeleine, dressed in pink shorts, a light pink T-shirt and pink hat, then runs across the court, clutching a batch of tennis balls.

A full reconstruction lasting 25 minutes will feature in the programme, which airs tomorrow at 9pm.

In another clip, the McCanns are asked how often they think of their daughter, who went missing when she was three years old on May 3 2007 from a holiday apartment as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

Mr McCann says: "When it's a special occasion, when you should be your happiest and Madeleine's not there, that's when it really hits home.

"Obviously, Madeleine's birthday goes without saying."

Mrs McCann adds: "It's when you have big family occasions really. That's it isn't it? 'Family occasion' and you haven't got your complete family."

Crimewatch presenter Kirsty Young will speak to the McCanns live in the studio during the programme, while presenter Matthew Amroliwala has been to Praia da Luz to explore the new focus of the police investigation.

During the programme, senior investigating officer, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, discusses how the police have approached the inquiry.

He says: "Primarily what we sought to do from the beginning is try and draw everything back to zero if you like. Try and take everything back to the beginning and re-analyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing."

He adds: "The careful and critical analysis of the timeline has been absolutely key.

"Primarily, we're focused on the area between 8.30 and 10.

"We know at 8.30 that was the time Mr and Mrs McCann went down to the tapas area for their dinner and we know that around at 10pm that was when Mrs McCann found that Madeleine was missing."

An incident room will be staffed during tomorrow's appeal and the days that follow, when the appeal moves to Holland and Germany.

A dedicated call centre will also be opened at Hendon, in north-west London.

Mr Redwood and his team recently revealed a vast log of mobile phone traffic could be the key to finding out what happened to Madeleine.

Scotland Yard detectives, who have interviewed 442 people as part of their review-turned-investigation, hope to track down as many people present in the Portuguese town at the time.

Since launching its own investigation, 41 people of interest have been identified by the Metropolitan Police, including 15 UK nationals.

Detectives have issued 31 international letters of request (ILOR) to mostly European countries in relation to some of the persons of interest as well as accessing phone records.

A large but "manageable" list of phone numbers identified as being present in Praia da Luz - though not necessarily used to make phone calls - has been drawn up by detectives with a "significant" number unattributed to any named person.

Ahead of the programme, Mr Redwood, said: "The timeline we have now established has given new significance to sightings and movements of people in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

"Our work to date has significantly changed the timeline and the accepted version of events that has been in the public domain to date.

"It has allowed us to work with Crimewatch to build the most detailed reconstruction as yet, and highlight very specific appeal points.

"I hope that when the public see our investigative strands drawn together within the overall context of that appeal, it will bring in new information that moves our investigation forward."

The Portuguese investigation officially closed but authorities there are backing the Scotland Yard inquiry and officers from both countries will work together in pursuing new leads.

The Metropolitan Police now has a team of six Portuguese detectives based in Faro, who are carrying out inquiries on its behalf.

The McCanns are currently suing former police chief Goncalo Amaral for libel over claims in the book The Truth Of The Lie.

So we shall get to see what the met police think happened tomorrow night.
I ponder at the expense on this case, so many years later.
The met employs a team of six portugese detectives in the region, plus the UK team.
Lets hope they find the girl, alive or dead.

Seems odd to have crimewatch put a random bunch of pictures of men in the area, so they can 'exclude' them, would have been normal procedure at the time, but how do you determine an innocent encounter ten years later?
 
It matters not whoever took her killed her. With all this attention there is no doubt in my mind that she will never be found alive and someone who does something that bad is hardly going to leave an anonymous tip for the family to enable them some closure.
 
Have they ruled out the fact that it may be a woman that has taken her given the fact they seem to be focusing on a bunch of men that were there? :confused:

If so, why?
 
But she has admitted her guilt in leaving her back in 2007:
Heartbroken mum Kate McCann quietly sobs as she speaks for the first time of her guilt about leaving little daughter Madeleine alone the night she was snatched. "I feel desperately sorry to her that we weren't there," she says.
"Every hour now, I still ask myself, 'Why did I think that was safe?' But it did feel safe and so right. I do feel regret. I've gone through all my life and said I never want to have any regrets, but you can't not regret something like that."


Understatement of the century??

The above ''admission of guilt'' sounds more like a politician's answer to be honest.
The risk of the children wakening to an empty apartment, or one of them having an accident whilst unsupervised should have been enough for the apparently intelligent McCann's to not take the decision to leave 3 babies on their own.

As touched upon by others, I don't believe 'Wayne & Waynetta Slob' from a council estate on Moss Side would have escaped unscathed (as in them not having their other children removed by Social Services).
 
I still don't get why they thought it would be acceptable to go out for dinner and leaving their kids alone in the apartment, with the doors unlocked. I can't imagine any parent would do this.
 
Don't like his tone.... Yet you are considering mocking and belittling a woman who lost her daughter?

I'd suggest you rethink your thoughts.
 
Also missing the bit where i said I'd mock or belittle her, i was just thinking better to hear it from her mouth rather than the media, but sfine, you feel free to jump to conclusions as well..
 
You said you found them annoying and were thinking of having a word, so I just put two and two together. Your attitude hardly comes across as one to offer her a sympathetic ear.
 
Just saw this on the BBC News Website:

Gerry McCann said:
"When it's a special occasion... and Madeleine's not there - that's when it really hits home"

I see it as: "When it's a special occasion... and Madeleine's not there - that's just like when we left her in our room alone that time"

The McCanns make me rage every time I see/hear about them. Kate McCann saying 'We're not the ones at fault here'.. LOL! just ****ing LOL! :mad:
 
As touched upon by others, I don't believe 'Wayne & Waynetta Slob' from a council estate on Moss Side would have escaped unscathed (as in them not having their other children removed by Social Services).

That wouldn't happen unless it can be proved that they were also doing it all the time back home but even then it would be looked into first before removal of the children.
The McCann's did a stupid thing, they thought their kids would be safe in an apartment they could see from the Tapas bar and even safer if they looked in every now & then.
Between 2007 to 2010 I sat through many Child Protection courses and at every one somebody would bring up the McCann's and every tutor would say that it wasn't 'neglect' in a criminal way.
 
Sounds like every tutor is following the party line rather than the actual legal position...others have been found legally responsible for leaving their children alone, the McCanns should have been no different..Under British law parents can be charged with neglect or abandonment if they leave their children alone if it is unsafe to do so. The guidelines of both the Government and NSPCC state that children under the age of 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone, and babies, toddlers and young children should never be left alone. Are these tutors serious stating categorically that it is safe to leave two 18 month old children in the care of a 3 year old while the parents go out drinking in a bar?

In this and the amount of time and expenditure made in order to investigate their daughters disappearence the McCanns have been treated as a special case, I can only think because of the media coverage and spin conducted by the McCanns and their advisors.

And the other thing to mention is that the MCanns apartment was NOT visible from the Tapas Bar, both the entrance and the bedroom windows to the apartment were on the other side of the block, not visible for the Bar. And they could have simply taken the time to hire a babysitter, which are provided by the resort.

Some people seem to regard the McCanns as victims...they are not, Their daughter was the victim, not once but twice...the victim of parental indifference/neglect and the victim of some as yet undefined kidnapping/murder/disappearence.
 
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That wouldn't happen unless it can be proved that they were also doing it all the time back home but even then it would be looked into first before removal of the children.
The McCann's did a stupid thing, they thought their kids would be safe in an apartment they could see from the Tapas bar and even safer if they looked in every now & then.
Between 2007 to 2010 I sat through many Child Protection courses and at every one somebody would bring up the McCann's and every tutor would say that it wasn't 'neglect' in a criminal way.

only there terrace was visible where they were, the room Maddie was in was on the other side of the apartment, the apartment was far enough away that even if they see someone they wouldn't get there fast enough to stop them getting away
 
Are these tutors serious stating categorically that it is safe to leave two 18 month old children in the care of a 3 year old while the parents go out drinking in a bar?

I wouldn't say so but taking the evidence of their friends who also confirmed that they looked in on the children all evening and didn't exactly abandon them.

And while we're on the subject they were sitting with other people they knew and just out of interest have any of them come out and said they warned the McCann's not to do this? Also did these friends have kids, did they have them with them or had they left them in their own apartments?

Oooh, interesting page - http://www.mccannfiles.com/id18.html

They also left their kids in the apartments.

only there terrace was visible where they were, the room Maddie was in was on the other side of the apartment, the apartment was far enough away that even if they see someone they wouldn't get there fast enough to stop them getting away

I remember posting a picture of the visibilitry of the apartments from the Tapas Bar.
If I remember right there was a big tree and a hedge in the way.
 
Found them -

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