Not wanting kids and dating

^its not something you can try though. I cant have that connection, see if i like it, think,, nah its not for me,, then go back to before.

I have found that its hard to know if a single mum wants you for you or just wants something! Ive had far more attention from single mums for example than non mums!

I would actually prefer an older one tho, the baby faze is the worst for me, but then you have the not my dad issue. I dunno if i could ever fully know if they liked me for me
 
I have found that its hard to know if a single mum wants you for you or just wants something! Ive had far more attention from single mums for example than non mums!

I would actually prefer an older one tho, the baby faze is the worst for me, but then you have the not my dad issue. I dunno if i could ever fully know if they liked me for me

Well if it's a full-time mum to kids that spend all day at school whilst she sits at home smoking away the child benefit and trying to pick up men from dating sites, then they are only good for one thing. Meeting someone with young kids, yeah that's a tricky one but if they are that young, they are young enough for you to just be mum's friend for a while.

On a more serious note, if you do meet a benefit mum, it would be hard for you to ever move in with them/them with you because of money. She will get decent 'wage' that will almost vanish once you are the man of the house. They will try to dress it up with "volunteer/thinking about more college courses" etc makes no difference. Oh and the pie in the sky ideas of starting their own nail tech business. And no, I've never fallen for any of those.
 
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Well if it's a full-time mum to kids that spend all day at school whilst she site at home smoking away the child benefit and trying to pick up men from dating sites, then they are only good for one thing. Meeting someone with young kids, yeah that's a tricky one but if they are young enough to think like that, they are young enough for you to just be mum's friend for a while.

On a more serious note, if you do meet a benefit mum, it would be hard for you to move in with them/them with you because of money. They will try to dress it up with "volunteer/thinking about more college courses etc" makes no difference.

I think there's a world of difference between how the woman ended up a single mother. Slept with a alpha male deadbeat who pumped and dumped her and thought she could do ok by herself or if she suckers in some beta to look after her family (even subconsciously) Vs having a child with a guy who is then killed in a tragic accident, the situation speaks volumes about the quality of person they are.

But even then, with the high quality latter example, there's the awful feeling I myself could not shake that I was on some level, being used to raise another mans genetics at the cost of my own, some people don't have that gut feeling telling them that that's wrong but I massively do. There's also the question of loyalty, whilst I appreciate most mothers will pick their child over their genetic mate, the line being crossed for a mother to side with her genetic off spring must be way closer against a partner who is in no way biologically involved.

I've heard too many horror stories on forums populated with mostly mid 30 year old men and upwards age wise like Pistonheads to ever trust anyone with that kind of power, it's like playing Russian roulette, doesn't matter the odd's, it's just not a risk worth taking for me to get involved to such an extent.
 
And please no one take this as a personal insult, I am aware that these are my insecurities to bare and no judgement is fast on others who do raise others children. I am sure in some ways the rewards are endless to some people.
 
I don't ever want kids. Most of my friends have kids, and they say I will change my mind, but I spend enough time round other peoples kids to know I never want my own. I'd rather stay single all my life!

your feelings to your own kids and other peoples kids is totally different.
 
I think there's a world of difference between how the woman ended up a single mother. Slept with a alpha male deadbeat who pumped and dumped her and thought she could do ok by herself or if she suckers in some beta to look after her family (even subconsciously) Vs having a child with a guy who is then killed in a tragic accident, the situation speaks volumes about the quality of person they are.

But even then, with the high quality latter example, there's the awful feeling I myself could not shake that I was on some level, being used to raise another mans genetics at the cost of my own, some people don't have that gut feeling telling them that that's wrong but I massively do. There's also the question of loyalty, whilst I appreciate most mothers will pick their child over their genetic mate, the line being crossed for a mother to side with her genetic off spring must be way closer against a partner who is in no way biologically involved.

I've heard too many horror stories on forums populated with mostly mid 30 year old men and upwards age wise like Pistonheads to ever trust anyone with that kind of power, it's like playing Russian roulette, doesn't matter the odd's, it's just not a risk worth taking for me to get involved to such an extent.

yes, the kids always coming first would be my issue, not so much that they arent mine, but the effect on the relationship
 
Human beings in not all wanting to live a cookie-cutter lifestyle like society says they should shocker!

I think it's less about the fact that people want to live in different ways, more about their attitude towards others not leading the same lifestyle (on both sides of the wall)
 
I think it's less about the fact that people want to live in different ways, more about their attitude towards others not leading the same lifestyle (on both sides of the wall)

Yeah, it does seem to have been rather unnecessarily confrontational and dismissive.

I hate children, never want them, but I don't see how that makes every doting parent somehow brainwashed. Some people just love kids. Go figure.

I'm sure there are a number out there who have just convinced themselves that they're happy, but certainly not all. Then again... isn't that much of life, anyway? Convincing ourselves that we're truly happy lest despair set in.
 
I think it's less about the fact that people want to live in different ways, more about their attitude towards others not leading the same lifestyle (on both sides of the wall)

It's pretty much a given that if you don't conform to social norms then you're in for a load of hassle from the majority. The people who get hassled get frustrated/angry and throw mud back over the fence, not surprising really.

This particular subject is just weird though because of the way others in society constantly insist that your ideas are wrong as if they know your own mind better than you do.

It's definitely not acceptable to tell gay people their lifestyle choices are wrong for example, but those who are childless by choice are fair game for criticism, it seems. The pressure I've had in the past from family and from ex-girlfriends was NOT fun to endure. Thankfully my family have given up now and just accept it. :p
 
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It's a bit odd though, I see many saying why they don't want children but this doesn't evolve to why others should. Yet the people who have the biggest issue are the ones with them telling others why they should.
 
I think there are several sides to the argument.

Biologically, not reproducing can be either a boon to the species or not. For example, those with serious genetic disorders who reproduce weaken the gene pool. Likewise, those alpha type couples who are physically and mentally perfect strenghten it (or should do).

I am speaking purely of my own experiences now, but the main arguments I used against having kids were selfish, by their very virtue.

I dont want to give up my time for a child
I dont want to have to spend my money on anything else but me
I dont want to hassle my life and prefer a 'carefree' life for myself
I hate kids, and simply cant tolerate their impact on my life
I dont want my sleeping pattern interrupted by children
etc etc.

Which is fine - but fundamentally selfish. I also hazard a guess that many of the people who stick rigidly to such an outlook struggle to hold down a relationship because of their lack of willingess to accept any infringment on what they see as their way of life - but if they are happy in themselves, more power to them. Likewise I would have struggled, but in my current relationship I have compromised and I genuinely feel no worse off for it. I guess for me it has just been a change in perception, and a realisation that actually living life purely for me was quite lonely. Perhaps my biology had a part to play, I dont know, but I got tired of waking up on my own each day and having nobody meaningful to share life with. That was maybe the first step.

As I said, I am not sure why I changed my mind, but I did. Perhaps it was due to spending more time with children and learning how to behave around them. I used to be one of those people who said "I dont do kids", but looking back basically what I meant was I had no idea how to behave around them, so avoided them, or felt akward in their company. I took the path of least resistance because it was easier.

Certainly I think caring less about my own image and what others think of me has helped greatly - particulalry with behaviour around children. It is for the same reasons I can now happily get up and dance in front of everyone, even though I am rubbish at it. I am what I am am, and I am now secure in that wheras a few years ago I wasnt. I can now happily be silly and do daft things in front of people without feeling like I am somehow less of a man. Overall I think I took myself far too seriously before.

I also think the love of a good woman has had an impact on my life too. She has helped me realise that life has more to it than me, and actually doing things for/with other people is very rewarding. I guess there is a philisophical debate to be had about the selfishness of philanthropy, but that is for another discussion!

Overall, if people dont want children that is their choice, but having the benefit of hindsight I cant help wondering how many of them are perhaps afraid, or maybe take themselves too seriously, just like I did?

I think the greatest gift we possess is life, and being involved with creating one, and nurturing one is surely the greatest achievment someone can make? Or at least that is something I have come to believe in recent years.

I guess a lot of it is based on a persons perception, but from my own experience I know perceptions can and will change.

I wont ever berate someone for not wanting children, but as I mentioned in a previous post - I would advise them to never say never. Live live with an open mind, and who knows what will happen :)

I think biologically speaking, though, not reproducing when you are able to could be seen as not doing your bit for humankind (*runs*) ;)

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I was told plenty of times by family how selfish I was, but I don't think that's really the case in all honesty. I spend loads of "my time and my money" (;)) taking my niece and nephew out and doing fun stuff which I do find rewarding (they are 10 and 12 so no tantrums!). I don't hate kids at all, I just know that deep down, I'm just not the right sort of person to be a parent and I've never felt like it's something I need.

Holding down relationships is obviously difficult when the women you're with suddenly decide they want kids. But hopefully I'll find someone with a similar outlook to me in the future. :p

I'm happy for others to reproduce as their kids will be the next doctors, nurses and other important things. Their taxes will also pay my state pension. Fill your boots popping them out, just leave me alone - I just want to grow old disgracefully. Ahh... that moment on a Sunday morning when I wake up after a great night out thinking, "Jesus, if I had kids right now, this would be a nightmare!". Zzzz... ;)
 
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I was told plenty of times by family how selfish I was, but I don't think that's really the case in all honesty. I spend loads of "my time and my money" (;)) taking my niece and nephew out and doing fun stuff which I do find rewarding (they are 10 and 12 so no tantrums!). I don't hate kids at all, I just know that deep down, I'm just not the right sort of person to be a parent and I've never felt like it's something I need.

I used to feel exactly the same way. Funny how life turns out sometimes.

Holding down relationships is obviously difficult when the women you're with suddenly decide they want kids. But hopefully I'll find someone with a similar outlook to me in the future. :p

There are plenty out there. I know one myself, but sadly she is with someone! That said, I wonder if personal differences actually help to make a relationship? Surely if you find someone exactly like you, in a weird way it would be like living with a female version of you. Making love to a female versio......eww thats just not what I want to comprehend right now!! :eek: :p

I'm happy for others to reproduce as their kids will be the next doctors, nurses and other important things. Their taxes will also pay my state pension. Fill your boots popping them out, just leave me alone - I just want to grow old disgracefully. ;)

To each their own. Like I said, I dont have a problem with people who do not want children. But having formerly been one myself, I know minds can change. Can you say 100% that yours wont? I used to think so, and look what happened to me! :p
 
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