MILLIONAIRE Tory Cabinet minister refers to police as " plebs " - Police fabricate evidence

hurfdurf said:
I hope this is true, the problem that causes ACAB is that the Police as an institution is corrupt and lacking accountability, not individual officers, to say nothing of the blue wall protecting good and bad alike.
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If the vast majority of individual officers are good, decent Police Officers who don't tolerate corruption, how can the corruption be institutional?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
If the vast majority of individual officers are good, decent Police Officers who don't tolerate corruption, how can the corruption be institutional?
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The problem in this case is the falsehoods have been supported by the Police Federation and actually instigated by their investigating officers.

Would you not consider the Federation an institution ?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
If the vast majority of individual officers are good, decent Police Officers who don't tolerate corruption, how can the corruption be institutional?
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First off, power corrupts is not a new idea.

In the same way no individual bankers take responsibility and admit they lost millions during the banking crisis, there is the idea of collective responsibility diluting to the point of nothingness that feeling of guilt or wrongness.

Look at the criticism the IPCC has retained thorough recent years, yet nothing's been done? It's political suicide to go after the Police so the system simply isnt going to get fixed because a corrupt IPCC isn't going to hold itself accountable not are the Police themselves. There's nothing that can hold up accountability to the police these days.

Where Police have been forced to wear lapel cameras, complaints dropped by over 80%. Do you think that's because officers started behaving a little better and more polite or do you think its because the complainers knew that there was little point making stuff up now? The use of force similarly went down correlating with the cameras.
 
wildman said:
and the police are the devil, so they are in cahoots :D
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Erm, hows that? are you the kind that hates the police no matter what? I'm always amazed how on one hand so many people don't trust politicians then on the other hand they are trusting them.
 
Well it seems it is now ok to swear at the police - I mean nothing was done and he did admit to doing it.

I'll give it a go tomorrow and I guess I'll see you all in a couple of months ...
 
Xordium said:
Well it seems it is now ok to swear at the police - I mean nothing was done and he did admit to doing it.

I'll give it a go tomorrow and I guess I'll see you all in a couple of months ...
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It also seems it's ok to wilfully misrepresent things when it supports your agenda if you are an officer of the law representing the police federation.

I do hope the inevitable compensation comes from the police federation for this part, and not the taxpayer.
 
Dolph said:
It also seems it's ok to wilfully misrepresent things when it supports your agenda if you are an officer of the law representing the police federation.

I do hope the inevitable compensation comes from the police federation for this part, and not the taxpayer.
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And I didn't say that was correct did I.

Do you agree it was wrong that Mitchell swore at the police?
Do you think if a 16 year old on a council estate did the same thing there would be no consequences?

This would never have started if Mitchell had not opened his stupid trap.
 
I think this is very unfortunate. It's not going to do much for sympathies in the current Parliament for members of the force that's for sure. Reputationally, even if just the federation and a couple of officers, it's an awful charge against what is in effect the arm of the law.
 
Xordium said:
And I didn't say that was correct did I.

Do you agree it was wrong that Mitchell swore at the police?
Do you think if a 16 year old on a council estate did the same thing there would be no consequences?

This would never have started if Mitchell had not opened his stupid trap.
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Swearing at officers was wrong, and has been apologised for. However, what happened subsequently makes the swearing seem very minor, and that is ignoring the reports that came today that suggested the entire confrontation may have been engineered after somethingthe previous day...

Edit: 2 days ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...e-Police-whistleblower-alleges-stitch-up.html
 
RavenXXX2;22815599 Nov12 said:
Is it not obvious lol. Millionair tory looking down on public servants by referring to them as "plebs" and to "learn your place" try reading the article before posting nonsense. It's blatantly obvious why his wealth is brought up and why this is in the news.:rolleyes:
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Penny for your thoughts RavenXXX2? If there was ever an example of rushing to judgement then the above is it.
 
Freakbro said:
It's been ok for a couple of years according to this ruling

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ing-at-police-is-not-a-crime-judge-rules.html

I still wouldn't recommend it though :D
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Damn right too. I work in a job where I often have to deal with irate people and do I get legal protection from being sworn and shouted at? No, so why should the police?

The police should be covered by the same protections as everyone else, the only power they have is the ability to arrest on suspicion and apply for warrants to search, other than that they shouldn't expect any special treatment like being protected against hearing naughty words.

If my job was to forceably kidnap people and deprive them of their liberty, the least I'd expect would be to be cursed at.
 
Freakbro said:
It's been ok for a couple of years according to this ruling

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ing-at-police-is-not-a-crime-judge-rules.html

I still wouldn't recommend it though :D
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That's interesting cheers for that didn't know. I will however take your advice as not try it out!

@Dolph Oh I agree what has happened is very serious and I can't help but feel they picked a fight with the wrong person. I still don't like the bloke I think he is a bully but on the bright side we are the only area in Birmingham that get our bins emptied on a Bank Holiday. The fallout from this is going to be even more severe it appears from reading the Guardian.
 
Xordium said:
And I didn't say that was correct did I.

Do you agree it was wrong that Mitchell swore at the police?
Do you think if a 16 year old on a council estate did the same thing there would be no consequences?

This would never have started if Mitchell had not opened his stupid trap.
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There is a difference between standing and directing a line of abusive words at a person, to saying a silly comment that contains a naughty word under your breath that is happened to be heard by someone.

Well, according to Mitchell anyway.
 
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estebanrey said:
Damn right too. I work in a job where I often have to deal with irate people and do I get legal protection from being sworn and shouted at? No, so why should the police?
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Technically they do commit an offence if they swear at you, if it makes you feel threatened (which is not the same as saying the CPS will actually do anything about it). The reason why this no longer applies to police officers, is that a judge took the point of view that police officers get sworn at by so many people that they can't claim to be threatened by it.
 
So the officer who went to court has plead guilty. What do those who tried to justify this behaviour because Mitchell is a tory have to say now?
 
Has it actually been established yet that he didn't call them plebs?

I know we have had an officer admit that he lied about witnessing the incident.
 
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