a friend wants a AMD gaming system, dose he buy piledriver now, or is something new on its way?

[gpuerrilla]

I don't get the logic, I'm a fanboy who's trying to get my own way, by suggesting the better performer? Right.

Not a fanboy no. I think your sometimes just the catalyst that encourages others in the odd post to pew pew with no other way that can be expressed as what people say is 'fanboyism' (the extra guy in the background that chips in from over the shoulder and is just annoying - that's what it attracts).

Now I am not a fan of that word (lol pun not intended) but some of the remarks recently are plain outdated or stereotyping from the bulldozer era.

 

[Martini1991]

Small hint. When some one says "He wants AMD" it usually means don't waste your breath on logic.

What's crazy is an 8350 and 7990 would make an absolutely awesome gaming rig, yet, people just want to pick peanuts out of poo over what's better.

I'd love to build an 8350/7990 rig. 7990 is a bloody mental card with epic power.

Do you know what I shouldn't waste my breath on? Trying to discuss anything logical with you, you repeatedly not only change the goal posts, but the sport, it's like we're not even speaking in the same language half the time.
I think you were exactly the same back in the GPU section (You with the 7970, from the hating, to the loving, to the hating)

The amount of FUD you post and get a free pass on is insane (Although this is more down to your complete lack of understanding, rather than being straight out wrong)

If OP's friend ends up getting an FX83 and a 7990, that's great.
If he ends up getting a 4770K and a 7990, that's great too.

If I didn't openly say what I have, for all you know, I could be running some FX95 system.

I do very badly want to go for an AMD CPU with a Crosshair, it's just not worth it at all, as it's a downgrade for pretty much everything I do.

Not a fanboy no. I think your sometimes just the catalyst that encourages others in the odd post to pew pew with no other way that can be expressed as what people say is 'fanboyism' (the extra guy in the background that chips in from over the shoulder and is just annoying - that's what it attracts).

Now I am not a fan of that word (lol pun not intended) but some of the remarks recently are plain outdated or stereotyping from the bulldozer era.

That's not exactly my fault..
I'm just a fan of pure hard facts.

 

[alex_123_fra]

He's not exactly going to wait around and not game on current (old) games while he's waiting around though.

I'm not suggesting the FX is bad, I'm saying to get the best out of the 7990 he needs an i7, until we see differently (Which, we haven't done yet) then pretending the present doesn't matter isn't helping anyone.

As said already, losing a few fps here and there in poorly optimised games is not going to render those unplayable. This offset by the very high likelyhood that games are going to be well optimised for multicore systems as we have seen demonstrated in Crysis 3 (which is very much in the present by the way) and to a lesser extent in FC3.

To give you an example of a game which is totally awful in terms of core utilisation, take WOW, which is now almost 7 years old. Over the years it made the transition to DX11 but this doesn't change much. This game totals around 80% of my gaming and I have been a serious raider in hardcore guilds for some time. Do I really care that my 3930k achieves around 5 fps less than a 4770k as the former bottlenecks my GPUs? No, it is still playable. Similar argument with other games.

The future is exciting. Would I swap my 3930k with a haswell system? Not a chance, despite worse IPC. Do I think FX83 chips will better i5s (including Haswell) in the next 1-2 years in gaming? Hell yes. I don't think FX83 chips will beat a 4770k unless very highly overclocked, but will very likely be within a whisker of the 4770k. That is good enough given the price/performance ratio.

As a totally separate point, I am a relative newbie on OCUK but I like to think that I am fairly knowledgeable in most things PC-related. I respect your posts and you speak sense from what I've read. I don't "bat" for either side as I own both AMD and Intel rigs and always have done. I would agree with Thont though that a lot of these arguments would not be sparked off if it had not been for some of your digs around how "AMD marketing must be working" etc etc. There is really no need for that as people may take those kinds of comments in a negative/insulting way.

 

[ALXAndy]

Do you know what I shouldn't waste my breath on? Trying to discuss anything logical with you, you repeatedly not only change the goal posts, but the sport, it's like we're not even speaking in the same language half the time.
I think you were exactly the same back in the GPU section (You with the 7970, from the hating, to the loving, to the hating)

Good then don't bother. Because underneath it all you're a massive Intel fan who just doesn't like to hear anything positive about AMD. The difference between you and I is that you do it with a thin veil over the top of it. You *never* want to accept that AMD are really good in certain areas, you either sit there trying to debunk everything put to you or refusing to accept it.

What makes it clear is that you would rather use games from the past than ones we have now. For some one who professes to love computers that's just absolutely hilarious. He who wants to sit and talk about the past.

And yeah, I was the same back in the GPU section. I don't like people who go around with an elitist attitude trying to constantly shape people and what they want to buy.

I've not bothered in a single Intel thread unless it's to give friendly advice such as "Don't buy a locked model they're a con". I don't go into every Intel thread acting like a big head who is always right.

The amount of FUD you post and get a free pass on is insane.

And there you go again. Like I actually give a crap what you think. I don't. I misread the intricate details of a comparison. IE - I missed that the AMD CPU lost to the Intel in Cinebench* but won in another one by a margin big enough for the law of averages to put the AMD ahead. You then tried to pick that apart, then tried to pick apart the other result by claiming the AMD was clocked to 4.5ghz.

You simply could not accept that the AMD could win in anything, which is about the norm for you here (you expect every one to bow to you and admit their AMD is crap before they're allowed to talk about it).

And that's what you've done here in this thread. A guy says he wants AMD and you then spend pages and pages banging on about how the Intel is better "But buy AMD If you want to !"

If OP's friend ends up getting an FX83 and a 7990, that's great.
If he ends up getting a 4770K and a 7990, that's great too.

Only that wasn't your stance when you entered the thread, as usual.

That's not exactly my fault..
I'm just a fan of pure hard facts.

Only most of it isn't fact it's just your over inflated ego's opinion.

*hilariously a benchmark which you yourself claim doesn't work properly on AMD but you're quite happy to gloat about the fact Intel win. Awesome.

 

[Martini1991]

*hilariously a benchmark which you yourself claim doesn't work properly on AMD but you're quite happy to gloat about the fact Intel win. Awesome.

More FUD.

Cinebench works as it should on AMD, I've never said anything contrary to the fact, it's just you don't understand why it performs the way it does.
Hint, it's about FPU's!

 

[ALXAndy]

More FUD.

Cinebench works as it should on AMD, I've never said anything contrary to the fact, it's just you don't understand why it performs the way it does.
Hint, it's about FPU's!

Hint - I'm not really interested.

I don't sit in the corner picking my nose and worrying about it.

 

[Martini1991]

No, you just lie about it instead.

 

[ALXAndy]

No, you just lie about it instead.

And when all else fails, resort to insults.

Good going.

 

[Marine-RX179]

To give you an example of a game which is totally awful in terms of core utilisation, take WOW, which is now almost 7 years old. Over the years it made the transition to DX11 but this doesn't change much. This game totals around 80% of my gaming and I have been a serious raider in hardcore guilds for some time. Do I really care that my 3930k achieves around 5 fps less than a 4770k as the former bottlenecks my GPUs? No, it is still playable. Similar argument with other games.

I think you are asking the wrong question in the context of WOW...what you should be asking yourself is- would you trade your 3930K for a FX8 which's gonna give you 40-50% lower frame rate in raid?

 

[Martini1991]

I think you are asking the wrong question in the context of WOW...what you should be asking yourself is- would you trade your 3930K for a FX8 which's gonna give you 40-50% lower frame rate in raid?

That's in a very elite group of games that'll do that though (Does that make me an AMD fanboy now? I always see it as giving the whole picture *shucks*)

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think you are asking the wrong question in the context of WOW...what you should be asking yourself is- why play an 8yr old game that is dying and is now EZ mode?

Fixed.

 

[Martini1991]

Was never a fan of WoW.

 

[gpuerrilla]

It was great when it was first out - loved the shaman class and being one of the few to hit 60 before the mainstream caught up. Not so much into the raiding - loved the PvP.

Too much of a grindfest and time soak meant after BC mothballed and lost interest.

 

[alex_123_fra]

Fixed.

You aren't wrong there. Off topic but I just can't explain the addiction. I have tried lots of other MMORPGs like Marvel Heroes, GW2, SWTOR, FFXIV, RIFT. Just can't seem to get the gameplay right for me.

Funny, but there is no CPU available right now that will not reduce WoW to ridiculously low levels of fps in 40-man open world bosses especially as the encounter is starting and all the screen effects are going mad. Talking 10-20 fps. It is a joke.

 

[Marine-RX179]

You aren't wrong there. Off topic but I just can't explain the addiction. I have tried lots of other MMORPGs like Marvel Heroes, GW2, SWTOR, FFXIV, RIFT. Just can't seem to get the gameplay right for me.

Funny, but there is no CPU available right now that will not reduce WoW to ridiculously low levels of fps in 40-man open world bosses especially as the encounter is starting and all the screen effects are going mad. Talking 10-20 fps. It is a joke.

Yea I know the feeling....I also have been a mmo fan for a very long time. Despite playing tried many mmos like you did, I still think Ragnarok Online is my most favourite mmo, despite it's dated and don't have beautiful 3D graphics.

It's 2013 now, and I still want to go back to playing Ragnarok Online again...

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah reminiscing of the 'good old days' but I guess if you were playing the first wave of MMO's before free to play it does seem a long time ago now.

I played Ultima Online having to rock with the US servers until they created an EU server back in 1998 all on dial-up. They have come a long way since, seems a lifetime ago now!