On Benefits & Proud

TheLegendOfMart said:
Oh look another bash the people on benefits thread, every time there is one of these you can almost predict the kind of posts that are here.

As of January 2011 4,200 people had been claiming JSA for over 5 years, that represents a WHOPPING 0.3% of all people claiming JSA.

Long term unemployed people cost you 28p per year or less than a penny a week, of course that is YOUR penny and you shouldn't have to support people like that.

Really gets on my **** when the lynch mob comes out flinging insults at people on benefits because of a VERY VERY low percentage of them have been out of work for a long time.

How about you stop the people who earn £10k+ a year who can rake in an extra £2500 in Working Tax Credits. Or the fact that the Queen costs you 3x as much as people on long term benefits do, But no you go after the people who are easiest to pick on.

There are more important things to worry about.
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You were doing quite well until you only quoted the cost of the queen without including the income from her which is around 3x the cost...

Not to mention that only including JSA is highly dishonest as very few people only claim JSA, and that assumes they are claiming JSA and not one of the other out of work benefits as their gateway into the system.
 
Most of the people that moan about the unemployed are receiving in work benefit which is more than £71 a week.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Don't get me wrong I am not condoning the wasters but with programmes and issues like this people tend not to discriminate and every person on benefits is in the crosshairs despite people protesting that they don't have a problem with genuine people. Just look at the government, they are screwing over everyone just to go after a tiny percentage because it looks good to the general public, my cousin has been out of work for a year and hes on a 2 year work programme now where he gets treated like crap by some "training" provider who won the government bid.

I don't know the current figure but as I said 0.3% of all people on JSA are long term unemployed costing £14m a year as of 2011, it's a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere but it's hardly going to break the bank.

Tax credits costs £30+ BILLION a year and that goes to people who are actually getting a wage but you would begrudge £5billion that goes to JSA just because less than a percent of people are taking the **** sponging off benefits?
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I cant personally speak for other work programme providers, but I work for a work programme.

We are a prime provider for the East Of England, and I know personally through the work I do that I make sure I give the very best oppurtunities to my clients and so do my employees in my centre.

I know there are short comings in other areas of the country due to people not doing there jobs correctly.

I tend to treat my clients with respect and make sure I can work on there barriers to get them into long term employment.

I do not like to push people into unsustainable jobs aka 2 weeks in poundland if it means they would loose there benefits and then be made homeless due to the time it takes to get it back.

I work on people and get them into jobs which at the least give them the chance to work for a 2 month period at the minimum.

My last client got an interview with Willis Group and has got a long term employment contract with a 3 month probation period.

He is now earning more then I am.. hah but he had been unemployed for nearly 2 years so he did well.
 
The real spongers are the countless buy to let slumlords overcharging the tax payer for their social tenants rent.
 
Allnamestaken said:
I cant personally speak for other work programme providers, but I work for a work programme.

We are a prime provider for the East Of England, and I know personally through the work I do that I make sure I give the very best oppurtunities to my clients and so do my employees in my centre.

I know there are short comings in other areas of the country due to people not doing there jobs correctly.

I tend to treat my clients with respect and make sure I can work on there barriers to get them into long term employment.

I do not like to push people into unsustainable jobs aka 2 weeks in poundland if it means they would loose there benefits and then be made homeless due to the time it takes to get it back.

I work on people and get them into jobs which at the least give them the chance to work for a 2 month period at the minimum.

My last client got an interview with Willis Group and has got a long term employment contract with a 3 month probation period.

He is now earning more then I am.. hah but he had been unemployed for nearly 2 years so he did well.
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My cousin goes through something called Bootstrap, he sits in a big room with 30+ people in and maybe 10 computers, everyone sits there twiddling their thumbs for hours until they can actually get on a computer to look and apply for jobs, the staff are rude and unhelpful and have a power complex who are just itching to report you to the job centre to get you sanctioned.
 
RedvGreen said:
It is a very tricky problem to deal with.

The issue is that you have a swathe of society who are spoon-fed more cash than those who work full-time around them. Case in point, typical salary in the North-East was £18k, yet a single mum can bring home £24k depending on how many kids (without being taxed, and with home paid for too).

The issue is further exacerbated by 'special case' families - these are ones who cause trouble in council estates, or ones who simply have too many children. The state is duty-bound to provide a suitable house for these people. You will find that these sorts of people are the ones who will be the ones moving into rented properties in very nice/affluent areas, who in turn bring those areas down.

If the Government decided to axe benefits, they'd be riots. Pleas of child-neglect as they'd keeping on popping out more kids who they couldn't afford to nurture/raise, so riots and other nations would step in and likely lay sanctions on the UK.

The benefit swathe of society has grown up to expect to be spoonfed the ability to exist quite luxuriously in society, and often spend their time harrassing or causing issues for those in society who work hard.

The irony is that people call them unintelligent for doing this, but it is us, the workforce, who are stupid. I know that I couldn't afford a mortgage or a child currently, as if I did, i'd be bankrupt on my mediocre salary.

The country is causing huge issues for the future for itself - the benefit-culture of society can continue growing as it is insulated from the reality of economics, responsibility and accountability - they are actually encouraged to have more children. Whilst the hard-working individuals can barely afford a mortgage and raise a family of 1 child at the same time. This will mean shortly that you have a working population who are merely working for the uneducated to continue to thrive and grow.

Potential end result? Country will have more expenditure to it's citizens than the revenue raised from taxes - taxation will rise, therefore pushing the hard-working people out of work, or into poverty.
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Perhaps the solution is to lace all the drinking water with contraceptives, thus preventing anybody from reproducing. Access to the antidote will provided if you can pass a simple test to prove you can support a child. ;)

In all seriousness though I find it stupid that if somebody who would make an excellent parent, but can't have children, wishes to adopt then they have to prove themselves to the authorities. Yet people who are unable to support a child without benefits etc. can just pop out as many as they like.

*runs for cover
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
My cousin goes through something called Bootstrap, he sits in a big room with 30+ people in and maybe 10 computers, everyone sits there twiddling their thumbs for hours until they can actually get on a computer to look and apply for jobs, the staff are rude and unhelpful and have a power complex who are just itching to report you to the job centre to get you sanctioned.
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What provider is this exactly?

Seetec? Ingeus? Papworth? there are more but just wondering.

One of them may of reffered him to a crap training provider for IT skills unfortunately I have seen this happen aswell.
 
Orionaut said:
But, But. Everyone is saying that such households are rare....! ;)

That being the case the short term costs of such a policy should be relatively small. In the medium/long term I refer to the later part of my post.
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Perhaps, but rare != unimportant. Should society throw children born to mouth breathers to the junk pile before they get a chance, at huge expense to the tax payer? I don't think so.

TV shows like this are designed for one thing and one thing only, to goad daft people to throth at the mouth with rage. Mission: Accomplished. There really is a million and one things to be mad about in modern Britain, which cost every single one of us dearly, but the media (and the Gov) like to pick on an easy target :p
 
DazQ87 said:
In all seriousness though I find it stupid that if somebody who would make an excellent parent, but can't have children, wishes to adopt then they have to prove themselves to the authorities. Yet people who are unable to support a child without benefits etc. can just pop out as many as they like.

*runs for cover
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This is very true, however, with the looming age crisis, we'll need able bodied but not so bright individuals to wipe our bottoms soon enough, so there WILL be jobs for them eventually :p
 
Honestly the people on this TV show must be fake/actors or something. If someone is so stuck up their own backside about getting an easy life on benefits, surely the relevant parties would take these benefits away.

..and why isn't there a law yet where you can only have three children? Four maybe, but more than that just seems exploitative.
 
I would lay part of the blame at the feet of employers these days as well.

The amount of hoops and red tape you have to go through for a basic low wage job is laughable.

Just look at tescos ? you have to pratically go on the krypton factor to stack shelves or unload lorries it's just cringe worthy.

Employers expect too much these days almost getting to the point they expect a professional C.V and university education to be a car washer.

We need to bring back the days of just turning up and someone making a decision based upon that persons eagerness attitude and common sense not mass filtering out because the C.V wasn't in a format you like or they didn't have a masters degree to do a manual job

I applied for a warehouse job recently I have 10 years experience for national companies the job was within walking distance under a mile from where I live.

Didn't even get a reply and I know why, it's because my c.v or covering letter which was a bog standard template didn't fit in with their TOO HIGH expectations.
 
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Dolph said:
You were doing quite well until you only quoted the cost of the queen without including the income from her which is around 3x the cost...

Not to mention that only including JSA is highly dishonest as very few people only claim JSA, and that assumes they are claiming JSA and not one of the other out of work benefits as their gateway into the system.
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Can you be specific about what you mean by income from the Queen? I hope you don't mean general tourism.

Also dishonest is referring to benefits and generalising that benefit claimants are these 20 kid families the Daily Mail seems to be adept at finding. Let's not forget that the biggest cost in the government's welfare bill is pensions.
 
MrMarvelous said:
Utter garbage T.V. Guilty pleasure for some though, hopefully not representative of the majority.

I'm honestly surprised Channel 5 still exists. I remember when it 1st launched all those years back, there wasn't anything decent to watch then and it looks like there isn't anything decent to watch now.
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Oh thats not fair. The Red Shoe Diaries were excellent telly!!! :p

As for this programme - meh. Trash TV.

Whilst I have met such people in my line of work, I still beleive they are a minority.

TV seems to have sunk to a low point in recent years. My latest favourite none show - sex box.

So hilariously void of anything useful. It reminds of the BBC news reporting on the recent royal birth. :p
 
C64 said:
I would lay the blame at the feet of employers these days as well.

The amount of hoops and red tape you have to go through for a basic low wage job is laughable.

Employers expect too much these days getting to the point they expect a professional C.V and A levels to be a car washer.
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I don't think it's down to that. It's more that there are so many people going for the jobs, you'll just be outdone by someone else with better skills/experience.
 
Dont know why I watched this when I knew exactly what it would be like, I've been truly baited and hooked.

Highlight; I wont work unless I can get £500 a WEEK in my hand after ALL expenses have been paid (I assume it meant rent, bills etc) LOL. :/
 
MooMoo444 said:
I don't think it's down to that. It's more that there are so many people going for the jobs, you'll just be outdone by someone else with better skills/experience.
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Yes but half the people probably make half the stuff up on their c.v so it's a false way of filtering out.

The only answer for me and many others is to pay for my own retraining in something new.

There should be more help for the unemployed to retrain there simply is nothing out there for the over 25's.
 
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