Madeleine McCann's parents

feedtheram said:
These are the comments i cannot understand. Are you forgetting that a man, possibly an organised group of men (or women) scoped out a vulnerable child and snatched her from her family.

I mean, the person who took her is the sub human scumbag here. It troubles me to think that people exist in this world that think taking a child from their family is ok. What the McCanns did was terrible in exposing their children to a situation that lead to this happening, but lets be clear here, the real monster is the one who took her.

A small part of me hopes that maybe it was them all along. Because the thought of her dying accidentally and being buried somewhere is far more pallatable than to imagine a horrible man breaking in and stealing a poor innocent child to do whatever with them.

Had she not been taken and you were told about parents who had done that you would probably think - wow that's bad parenting. You probably wouldn't be calling for their children to be taken away from them.
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I see your point. But had the parents not left them alone like that, it could be very different!
 
feedtheram said:
These are the comments i cannot understand. Are you forgetting that a man, possibly an organised group of men (or women) scoped out a vulnerable child and snatched her from her family.

I mean, the person who took her is the sub human scumbag here. It troubles me to think that people exist in this world that think taking a child from their family is ok. What the McCanns did was terrible in exposing their children to a situation that lead to this happening, but lets be clear here, the real monster is the one who took her.

A small part of me hopes that maybe it was them all along. Because the thought of her dying accidentally and being buried somewhere is far more pallatable than to imagine a horrible man breaking in and stealing a poor innocent child to do whatever with them.

Had she not been taken and you were told about parents who had done that you would probably think - wow that's bad parenting. You probably wouldn't be calling for their children to be taken away from them.
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I don't think anyone is excusing the crime but the simple fact is that had they upheld their parental responsibility we wouldn't be having this discussion, and the neglect is inexcusable regardless of the outcome, i am of the opinion that these people don't deserve children whether one was "taken" or not
 
kokuten said:
I don't think anyone is excusing the crime but the simple fact is that had they upheld their parental responsibility we wouldn't be having this discussion, and the neglect is inexcusable regardless of the outcome, i am of the opinion that these people don't deserve children whether one was "taken" or not
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indeed, granted some creature may have taken her, but then as a parent it is your 'natural' responsibility to protect and nuture your children, unless you are too concerned with eating and drinking and ensuring your own selfish urges are indulged. If you can't be bothered with kids, why have them?
 
I wonder if they've been a bit cute and are taking advantage of the initial backlash in the media about them.

They've already been smeared and cleared so the thinking could be that by keeping it high profile in the media all the time keeps the eyes off of any potential involvement.

I've no theories as to their exact involvement, but something certainly doesn't sit right and lots of people can see it clear as day.

How does Occam's razor go again - "when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."- I.E. should we be looking for some Arab, child snatching paedophile ring, or something altogether much simpler.
 
Indie said:
From what they are currently gaining from it... Probably yes.

misplaced a daughter they didn't seem to really care about anyway. Now, more wealthy than they were to begin with, plus all the media coverage.
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Is that what you honestly think? Or is that just internet bravado?
Honestly?
 
feedtheram said:
These are the comments i cannot understand. Are you forgetting that a man, possibly an organised group of men (or women) scoped out a vulnerable child and snatched her from her family.
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And if someone left their nice BMW out in the road with the keys in the ignition and it got nicked, most people would call them blummin stupid.

The McCanns created a situation that permitted bad people to do bad things. The bad people are still bad, but the McCanns behaviour falls well below what society expects from parents and therefore they must share some of the blame.

Were it not for the perpetrators of the crime (whoever they may be and whatever the crime may be) then Madeleine would still be around.

Were it not for the parents lack of care, Madeline would probably still be around.
 
grumpysculler said:
Were it not for the parents lack of care, Madeline would probably still be around.
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I completely agree. My response was aimed at those claiming that the parents are solely to blame for her disappearance which (assuming we’re not debating the various theories and going along with the ‘she was taken’ story) is simply not the case.
 
Xordium said:
Any evidence that it was a man or actually something along those lines? Any at all. Or is that supposition.
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My response was to those suggesting the parents are 100% to blame (assuming they weren't involved), which obviously isn't the case.

No evidence that it was a man or a group - there have been reports that there were some men 'scoping' the place out in the days building up to the event but that's hardly conclusive! Also the fact burglaries were up 30% in the area and the apartments they were in had been burgled a couple of times in the weeks before.

Personally i believe that they weren't involved because I cannot see how the logistics would work as well as some of their actions since the event do not make sense if they were. I'm making the assumption that they would have to involve the Tapas 7 in the cover up and I find it hard to believe they could pull that off.

It's such an odd case as they have also done things that invite suspicion on top of the dog reactions. Obviously nobody can be sure on what really happened that night but my gut feeling is they weren't involved.

I'm more than happy for people to have opposing views however it annoys me when things are claimed as facts which are not. There is actually so little actual evidence in this case which is probably what makes it so intriguing.
 
grumpysculler said:
And if someone left their nice BMW out in the road with the keys in the ignition and it got nicked, most people would call them blummin stupid.
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And if a girl gets in an illegal taxi on her own after a night on the booze and she ends up getting raped and beaten we call her blummin stupid - we'd also feel very sorry for her and very angry at the rapist.

Of course it's different as the McCanns didn't put themselves at risk - they put their child at risk. Which is why people are so angry at them. It's hard not to get angry at them actually.
 
NeilFawcett said:
They made a mistake, and did something very silly and stupid... But is the price they're paying justified? Is it a fair outcome? I'd have to say no...
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I'd say I agree, but the fact is they have never stood in the public face and said they cocked up. That is why I think they draw so much public vitriol

feedtheram said:
Of course it's different as the McCanns didn't put themselves at risk - they put their child at risk. Which is why people are so angry at them. It's hard not to get angry at them actually.
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and because they refuse to admit to this is why they are figures of hate and anger. Personally I think they are negligent and irresponsible parents for doing what they did. The fact they then have the face to take public money to make up for the lunacy makes my urine boil.
 
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I don't think the police trust them or are working closely with them to help the investigation. The crime watch appearance would have been extensively planned and the best use of the short time available considered. The police will know that the bulk of he discussion will be around the mccanns and their behaviour. They should have encouraged them to show a great deal more remorse to get the public on side and focus the attention on the new theories, but they didn't which makes me think the police suspect them and the whole crime watch thing is a ruse to trick them into slipping up in some way.
 
wildman said:
and because they refuse to admit to this is why they are figures of hate and anger.
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This is a myth because she has admitted her guilt in leaving her back in 2007:

Heartbroken mum Kate McCann quietly sobs as she speaks for the first time of her guilt about leaving little daughter Madeleine alone the night she was snatched. "I feel desperately sorry to her that we weren't there," she says.
"Every hour now, I still ask myself, 'Why did I think that was safe?' But it did feel safe and so right. I do feel regret. I've gone through all my life and said I never want to have any regrets, but you can't not regret something like that."
 
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