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That is Govt. rules usually
It is a parents choice to work and risk the cost of having to put their children into child care.
Did you agree with the Strike today?
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That is Govt. rules usually
It is a parents choice to work and risk the cost of having to put their children into child care.
No, it isn't. It is the fault of the strikers and the responsibilities should lie solely with the trade unions to compensate for the consequential losses their actions cause.
Striking is currently a right without a responsibility, and the unions are showing why further reforms are needed.
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My 14 year old agreed with it....I simply worked from home to compensate. Others will not have that option and I think it is incumbent upon a school to ensure they operate when they are expected to, or give sufficient notice of a closure to enable parents to make arrangements...24-48 hours is not sufficient for most people.
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Why does that matter?
The risk is with the parents that they have assumed the school will be open and available when it says it will be open and available?
No worries.
The general gist was no to tenure but yes to national pay.
They suggested increasing the number of stages within the scale for a regular classroom teacher from 6 to 11, effectively inserting a new stage in between each existing stage.
Instead of increasing one stage per year by default, teachers would have a review at the end of each year and if they could prove that they had met their KPIs for the year then they would be considered for an increase by either one or two stages.
Equally, if they didn't meet their KPIs they would either remain on their existing salary or could be moved down by one or two stages (or fired).
As I understand it, there would be fewer leadership spines (43 is ridiculous) and it would be harder to progress between them.
Under the current system, unqualified teachers are on a separate scale to regular classroom teachers, meaning the maximum band they can reach is equivalent to the 3rd band of a regular classroom teacher £25,267.
As far as I'm aware, there's no plans to change this for maintained schools.
However,with the increase in academies, free schools, studio schools and university technical colleges, many schools will be able to circumvent all of the things you've listed anyway.
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You'r 14 year old's school only gave you 24–48 hours notice? That's crazy, these strikes have been planned for months! All parents should have had ample time to arrange an alternative.
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I supported the strike because it meant that the traffic going to work was much more reasonable. Summer holidays are a blessing.
Its not crazy..It is not exclusive to my son's school either...as Headteachers were not allowed to close the schools in sympathy and teachers are under no obligation to inform the schools of their intent to strike, they waited until the last minute to close the school and even then it only affects certain classes and year groups.
Parents did not have ample time, as they were not given any. it really is as simple as that.
I'm not complaining about my hours. I took the job to reduce my hours and increase my pay. That's EXACTLY my point. Rather than complain to my employer I did the sensible thing and moved jobs to get what I wanted. Teachers should do the same.
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And get which jobs? Do you mean changing careers? Because there aren't that many options if not.
I'm not complaining about my hours. I took the job to reduce my hours and increase my pay. That's EXACTLY my point. Rather than complain to my employer I did the sensible thing and moved jobs to get what I wanted. Teachers should do the same.
We'd be pretty screwed if all of the teachers who were on strike today took your advice and changed career tomorrow.
Sounds like a good argument against national pay bargaining to me.
Couldn't agree more really.
Mind you, our place is an Academy, yet some Teachers where on Strike today....How does that work?
No we wouldn't. Demand and supply would mean that salaries or pensions or whatever they are demanding would rise. Some teachers would stay in the profession and new teachers would join to fill the other vacancies. That's exactly how the private sector works.
By striking and staying in their jobs teachers may actually be keeping their salaries lower than if some of them took the bold step to look for another employer.
Not overnight, so you'd be complaining about your kid's school being closed or running on half staff and then you'd probably be complaining about the saturation of the private sector job market as all of those teachers found other jobs.
In the other thread someone mentioned nurses in Canada tendering their resignation en-mass. I think teachers should threaten to do the same unless Gove stands down.
In the other thread someone mentioned nurses in Canada tendering their resignation en-mass. I think teachers should threaten to do the same unless Gove stands down.
Not overnight, so you'd be complaining about your kid's school being closed or running on half staff and then you'd probably be complaining about the saturation of the private sector job market as all of those teachers found other jobs.
In the other thread someone mentioned nurses in Canada tendering their resignation en-mass. I think teachers should threaten to do the same unless Gove stands down.
I take it you have never heard of contractual notice periods...
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The problem for schools is that teachers weren't obliged to tell headteachers whether they were striking or not, so larger schools especially were in the unenviable position of either crossing their fingers or having little choice but to close either in part or full.
In smaller schools, the more personal relationship between teachers and heads allowed more knowledge, so they knew with some certainty whether they'd have to close or keep year groups/classes away from school.
As for notice, we sent out letters and posted on our website on the 8th the position our school would be in. How quickly other schools could update parents will vary though, but sometimes the heads would have been damned either way.
All said, it's a bloody poor state of affairs if the potential safety of children is put in jeopardy because a teacher has no obligation to state whether they're striking or not, and I'd hope the teachers in those situations would have been decent enough to consider that. I know some at another school in the area who didn't.
Even if they all handed in their notice on the 1st of May, I think the country would struggle to replace them all by the start of the Autumn term in September.
That's the longest contractual notice period for classroom teachers. Somehow I doubt the unions would chose the Summer term to do it so really you're talking about two months to replace thousands of people across the whole county.
Bear in mind there are over 400,000 teachers in the UK, even if 10% walked out it would cause serious disruption.