Madeleine McCann's parents

just read some articles about David Payne and his alleged acts during conversation on holiday and it turns my stomach to think somebody would act out things of that nature about their own and other children (those of close friends). I think he needs to be looked at with closer scrutiny if it has not been done already

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

Leicestershire Police reported: "There is nothing incriminating in his past and, as we were able to verify, he has no criminal record."

But neither did Jimmy Savile right ?
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

Leicestershire Police reported: "There is nothing incriminating in his past and, as we were able to verify, he has no criminal record."

But neither did Jimmy Savile right ?

But why would he have an incriminating past, I wasn't aware that was a prerequisite for performing lewd acts involving your own/friends children, just because he had never been caught doing something doesn't mean he doesn't do it
 
1) Yes one instance is enough.

2) Child abuse is categorised as emotional, physical, sexual or neglect. Maybe you shouldn't be arguing a point if you don't grasp that.

3) There is no need to argue points with someone when you haven't done them the courtesy of even looking up the basic definitions and their context. Saves you a whole lot of typing and everyone else some time. You bu your own admission know little about it. I think if you are going to argue something then you should find something out about it especially if you are going to be getting the basics wrong. Just my opinion and just me. I have little time for people who don't know what they don't know.

1. So you are saying that one instance of neglect is sufficient to be classified as "persistent". How can that possibly be correct?

2. So you are agreeing with what I have said!? Neglect is a subset or type of abuse. How can you say I do not grasp a point when you have merely paraphrased what I have said?!?

3. And yet you are arguing, albeit from a position of dismissive arrogance rather than actually attempting to provide an answer. At what point did I say that I had not looked up basic definitions or context? What I have said is that I did not do so through Google but from other sources. I then raise the question "I still struggle to find a legal case where child negligent (sic) that could potentially not be considered persistent is the primary charge". You have said you have an expertise in this area so I was rather hoping you could point in the correct direction. Is that really so wrong of me?
 
just read some articles about David Payne and his alleged acts during conversation on holiday and it turns my stomach to think somebody would act out things of that nature about their own and other children (those of close friends). I think he needs to be looked at with closer scrutiny if it has not been done already

I've just read what are claimed to be the transcripts of statements to the police and reports sent between police officers.

One witness thought that when David Payne said "she", he was referring to Madelaine McCann. The other witness did not know who David Payne was referring to and did not think it was Madelaine McCann. A third person thinks that they remember him in some context connected to their work in social services, but they had no recollection of when or under what circumstances or even if it was really him they remembered.

That's not much evidence, although I agree that it would be reason to look at him more closely. Which I would assume the police forces have already done (hence the statement from Lancashire police).
 
"Greek police are trying to figure out the identity of a young blonde girl, found living on a Roma settlement with a family she did not resemble"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24589614

No it's not Madeleine but it gives hope for the family she will be found. How thick are these kind of people who do this
"The woman claimed to have given birth to six children within a 10-month period"
 
"Greek police are trying to figure out the identity of a young blonde girl, found living on a Roma settlement with a family she did not resemble"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24589614

No it's not Madeleine but it gives hope for the family she will be found. How thick are these kind of people who do this
"The woman claimed to have given birth to six children within a 10-month period"

I remember discussing the possibility of gypsies stealing Maddy much earlier in the thread. It's amazing how many people thought that this was an urban myth that this sort of thing went on, why have we become so naive as a nation?
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

Leicestershire Police reported: "There is nothing incriminating in his past and, as we were able to verify, he has no criminal record."

But neither did Jimmy Savile right ?

does me having a criminal record when I was a teenager and committing no crime for about 18 years make me more likely or less likely to commit a crime than anyone else who has no criminal record?
sounds like BS

I remember discussing the possibility of gypsies stealing Maddy much earlier in the thread. It's amazing how many people thought that this was an urban myth that this sort of thing went on, why have we become so naive as a nation?
that couple have clearly been trafficking children why else would different authorities have them down as having different numbers of kids...... I hope they get what they deserve
 
1. So you are saying that one instance of neglect is sufficient to be classified as "persistent". How can that possibly be correct?

2. So you are agreeing with what I have said!? Neglect is a subset or type of abuse. How can you say I do not grasp a point when you have merely paraphrased what I have said?!?

3. And yet you are arguing, albeit from a position of dismissive arrogance rather than actually attempting to provide an answer. At what point did I say that I had not looked up basic definitions or context? What I have said is that I did not do so through Google but from other sources. I then raise the question "I still struggle to find a legal case where child negligent (sic) that could potentially not be considered persistent is the primary charge". You have said you have an expertise in this area so I was rather hoping you could point in the correct direction. Is that really so wrong of me?

Xordium didn't say that it is classed as persistent, but that it is enough for a potential prosecution. He was not being arrogant, but giving his professional opinion.

As far as an example from a quick google:

M v Normand (1995) SLT 1284, HCt Judiciary [ a Scottish case which may have persuasive authority ],the Appellant had parked his car leaving his son aged 18 months old strapped in a child’s car seat in the rear of the car whilst he and his wife went to do some Xmas shopping. A traffic warden was on duty when he saw the Appellants’ car with the chid in the car seat. The child was sitting quietly, appeared to be awake, not distressed and adequately clothed. The police were called and remained next to the car until the parents returned some 55 minutes later. The Appellant was found guilty of a contravention of s12 Childrens & Young Persons (Scotland) Act 1937in that he did “wilfully neglect and abandon him in a manner likely to cause him unnecessary suffering and injury to health”.

This illustrates a single act of neglect is enough to form the basis of a prosecution. It was submitted that “where a child of this age was left on its own for a substantial period, VERY LITTLE MORE WAS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THAT THE OFFENCE HAD BEEN COMMITTED… and that “the child might have become distressed simply by reason of it being left alone in that period of time, and this was a circumstance which could cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health…”

And another similar, in that the McCann children were left on more than one occasion also:

In R v Jasmin, L (2004) 1CR, App.R (s) 3, the Appellants had left their child aged 16 months old alone in the home for periods of up to 3 hours, whilst they went off to work. This happened on approximately three separate occasions. The Appellants were both found guilty of offences relating to neglect contrary to S1(1) Childrens’ and Young Persons Act 1933 and were sentenced to concurrent terms of 2 years imprisonment.
 
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Sickening article in the 'Fail today showing how that little blonde girl was made to dance: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2469571/Little-Maria-dance-cash-5-000-calls-world.html

Some interesting quotes:

" it emerged that police found a handgun and balaclava at the house where they found Maria."

"Maria was ‘filthy and terrified’ when social services took her to Athens-based charity Smile of the Child on Wednesday."

" it was ‘well known’ that ‘there is a baby-trade conducted by gipsies between Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and England.’"

"Police said the family received more than £7,000 a month in benefits for the 14 children they claimed to have."

"‘It is obvious that we are faced with a very well-organised racket, and it is certainly not the only one.’"

It's long been rumoured that gypsies have a reputation for stealing babies, I remember stories from the playground at primary school, but I just kinda assumed that it was an urban myth and that there's no way anyone could get away with this for very long in this day and age. This sounds like just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Poor girl I hope they find her real mom and dad very soon. As for the roma gypsies well just shot them...scum
 
Not sure if serious...


From the BBC about the roma trash in Irland

"but officers were not satisfied with the explanation nor with the documents that were produced"

When my child was very young and I took her in and out of the UK the passport\documents was always checked.
Unless I'm missing something?
 
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