On Benefits & Proud

Bear said:
No it wasn't, how can anyone judge anyone's performance without previous experience of their work ? You have to read his post in context, I will quote it again so you can read what was posted, not what you wish was posted



Stop being so ******* lame and try and insinuate something that wasn't said in the context you are suggesting.
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lol, you can see it how you want, I KNOW WHAT HE WAS IMPLYING AND SO DO YOU. stop being so ******* silly.
 
spankingtexan said:
lol, you can see it how you want, I KNOW WHAT HE WAS IMPLYING AND SO DO YOU. stop being so ******* silly.
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Oh dear, once again we see you can't have a rational argument with someone who isn't holding a position reached through rational thought.

You know nothing, you have simply taken your prejudices and found a post you can claim they relate to, even thougb any logical, rational reading of the post does not lead to the conclusion you have reached.

Your posts expose far more of your own prejudice than anything to do with the employer.
 
spankingtexan said:
lol, you can see it how you want, I KNOW WHAT HE WAS IMPLYING AND SO DO YOU. stop being so ******* silly.
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No, I take what people say at face value until they prove otherwise, I don't try and twist what other people say to further my arguments. Don't presume to know how I think.

If this is your typical attempt to discuss things then I'm out of here because you are pathetic, which is a shame because I actually agree with you on things like being against getting people to work for free.
 
spankingtexan said:
What a load of crap. You should be ashamed for typing this^ rubbish. I hope you remember not to claim off the state should you find yourself in need, you wouldn't want to be a scrounger would you? Let's also hope you don't become to ill to work, after all we wouldn't want to listen to your sob story would we. Wondering how many white trash who applied and failed to get the job because the second language English speaking person got it? brilliant, give the paid work to the immigrant and force the white trash to work for free because he failed to get the paid job.
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Nah just a different opinion... sorry if it doesn't fall within your view where personal responsibility counts for nothing and people at the bottom are simply just damn unlucky.

I don't see an issue with long term unemployed people being asked to do some work in return for their JSA payments...
 
Spanking, just out of interest, what do you make of labours proposal for compulsory endless workfare in the form of the 'job guarantee'?
 
Dolph said:
Spanking, just out of interest, what do you make of labours proposal for compulsory endless workfare in the form of the 'job guarantee'?
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Little behind on current affairs, can you link to source? if it's working for free then I think you know where I stand on that.

Just read a little about it and it's stated the minimum wage would be paid, so as long as there are also entitlements that employed people get and the positions offered are suitable for the individual and they are treated as employed without any harassment from the jobcentres then I think even those on benefit would welcome that. They must have full employment rights. I still however have a problem with the minimum wage as it stands.

We shall see.
 
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Dolph said:
Why does the private company issue matter?
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Because private company's shouldn't be handed money from the taxpayer to pay their wage bill, even you must see that is just wrong, not to mention how many of those private company's pay a little higher than the minimum wage but would not have to pay those on the job guarantee the going rate, that is exploitation.
 
spankingtexan said:
Because private company's shouldn't be handed money from the taxpayer to pay their wage bill, even you must see that is just wrong, not to mention how many of those private company's pay a little higher than the minimum wage but would not have to pay those on the job guarantee the going rate, that is exploitation.
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So if we took the people, split them into two groups, had one dig holes and the other fill them in again while working only for the taxpayer, would that be ok? Remember, we can't risk replacing useful employees so they can't do anything meaningful.

I am more against the compulsion and the poorly designed system that makes the compusion necessary than anything else.
 
spankingtexan said:
Do you think the taxpayer should subsidise private company's to pay for their workforce?
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Creating welfare jobs instead of giving welfare money is a flawed idea whoever the notional work is being done for. Unfortunately while we have a conditional benefits system, the conditions need to exist for both claim access and claim rejection.
 
Spankingtexan, you're making yourself look silly. My 5 year old niece can see the last paragraph of my post you keep posting is clearly the conclusion to our system of taking anyone on as a temp and offering the best performers a full time contract.

It has nothing to do what other employers might think and nationality is not a barrier to entry where I work, but performing well may get you a full time job. It is merely an observation that we tend to take on our fair share of foreigners. They certainly aren't the majority but higher in ratio than the local population.
 
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Oh come on Dolph, if it's meaningless work just for the sake of working then that is just spite where no one will benefit other than those who get a kick out of seeing someone dig a hole while the guy next to him fills it in.
 
estebanrey said:
Spankingtexan, you're making yourself look silly. A 5 year old niece can see the last paragraph of my post you keep posting is clearly the conclusion to our system of taking anyone on as a temp and offering the best performers a full time contract.

It has nothing to do what other employers might think and nationality is not a barrier to entry where I work, but performing well may get you a full time job. It is merely an observation that we tend to take on our fair share of foreigners. They certainly aren't the majority but higher in ratio than the local population.
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I know what you was implying, stop trying to pretend otherwise.
 
spankingtexan said:
Oh come on Dolph, if it's meaningless work just for the sake of working then that is just spite where no one will benefit other than those who get a kick out of seeing someone dig a hole while the guy next to him fills it in.
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But anything productive will take work away from paid employees, which you have made clear you do not approve of?
 
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