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Paralysed with indecision: i7-4770 or FX-8350.

since the 8350 overclocks so well then is a 4.8-5ghz 3850 not better than a 4.4-4.5ghz 4770? Or does the clock for clock speed of haswell still beat amd when overclocked this high?
 
PCZ said:
I think the quality of the memory controllers in FX chips is quite variable.
Some are running really high mem speeds circa 2400 and others struggle to get 1600 stable ?

OOPS
Thread hijack
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No no this is important for the OP if he decides to go the AMD route ! better to be honest.
 
steelwolf said:
since the 8350 overclocks so well then is a 4.8-5ghz 3850 not better than a 4.4-4.5ghz 4770? Or does the clock for clock speed of haswell still beat amd when overclocked this high?
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Clock per clock and fully utilised the 4670k is right up the arse of the 83x0. At least that's what I've seen from most games, other than the obvious (Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3).

In benchmarks however the 8320 is usually always above the 4670k and can at times nip at the heels of the 4770k. The 4770k is always ahead though but you pay for that speed.

Next gen console ports will usually always want 8 cores IMO. It was different with the Xbox 360 and PS3 because they were totally different, but, the devs would do the 360 first as that's where the money was for the most part. Then they would go to PS3 and PC. This time around though? they're both pretty much the same CPUs, so supporting both will be a piece of cake, and us PC owners finally get 8 threaded support in games.

Will that turn out to help AMD and hinder the quad core Intels? I would say yes. It's a gamble with AMD but a pretty safe one. The PD CPUs definitely seem to be good even when only half of them is used.

It's a money thing. If you can afford the 4770k? it's a no brainer.
 
Also with the 4770K overclocking is a lottery.
Some will only clock stable to 4.2Ghz others will reach 5.0Ghz+.
I have an example at both ends of the overclocking spectrum both retail chips.

With the FX chips it is very easy to get a stable clock just up the vcore till your bottle goes :)
The higher clocks >4.8Ghz need good cooling as the thermal output is massive.
 
ALXAndy said:
Your rig would be absolutely drool worthy but it's gonna cost.

I really don't know how the FX perform with virtual PCs tbh. Not really an area of interest for me. From what I recall (and don't quote me on this !) 990FX don't overclock very well with 4 dimms in place. I could be wrong, but something is nagging at me about it...
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So fare ive managed a 5,0ghz OC on my 8350 using 4x4giga corsair dimms. Doesnt seem to care much tbh. Worked wonderous for BF3.
 
Phixsator said:
So fare ive managed a 5,0ghz OC on my 8350 using 4x4giga corsair dimms. Doesnt seem to care much tbh. Worked wonderous for BF3.
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Yeah BF3 loves clock speed tbh. Was one of the reasons why I had to retire my bloody Xeon after 11 months. I usually buy a pretty decent PC upgrade once a year but I wasn't bloody planning to replace a CPU that quick.

I'm using Mushkin Blackline. I really ought to do some digging to see what it's really capable of.
 
Squeeker said:
...I intend to run Windows 8.1 and also 2 or 3 virtual machines (VirtualBox) - a command line Debian, Linux Mint and a Windows 7. I'll tend to have the Debian running all the time and one or both of the others as needs dictate. I tend to leave the machine on 24/7 so it has to be efficient and quiet.

On the Windows 8.1 host I'll be running Photoshop (once or twice a week) and also compiling in Visual Studio (every other day). I'll play a few old games (Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 / Diablo 2 are were my gaming interests lie).

I also run some high end film editing software which can make use of Cuda so I'll probably get an NVidia graphics card to help with this and the photoshop but I'm happy to slum it without one initially....
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Reading through your requirements I have to admit you'd adore running a 3930k/4930k. ;) I do many of the same things you do and while a 4930k maybe a little hard to justify price wise, if you're not averse to the second hand market a 3930k can now be had for ~£250 (there's one in the Members Market now, though with only 5 posts you won't have access to it - Damn! where have you been for the last 8 years! ;)) and very good second hand X79 motherboards, read 'Asus', go for less than half their price due to the relatively small demand; ~£100 and less. (picked mine up for less than £100)

Those VM's and high end film editing software love the VT-d, 6 cores/12 threads and you'll make use of the quad channel memory. The games you play are not demanding, anything around a Nvidia 560ti and above is more than enough and has CUDA. Pop a nice and quiet Noctua NH-D14 Cooler on there, clock it to 4Ghz with simplicity, drop in 16GB/32GB quad channel memory and those VM's and video software will be basking in digital glory for quite a few years to come.

The next best and cheaper option I'd suggest is the FX8320 with Asus motherboard and same cooler as above.
 
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At work some new guys got new PCs.

The folk who've been there a while have crap 2600K (gaming CPU basically) to run multi-threaded high RAM, computational tasks.

The new guys have 4960Xs, which frankly utterly demolish our PCs, but we won't get new ones until ours fail.

Tasks that we run: running multiple instances of data-set analysis software; running VMs; running rendering/compiling; photo/video editing - sometimes all simultaneously.
 
ALXAndy said:
Yeah BF3 loves clock speed tbh. Was one of the reasons why I had to retire my bloody Xeon after 11 months. I usually buy a pretty decent PC upgrade once a year but I wasn't bloody planning to replace a CPU that quick.

I'm using Mushkin Blackline. I really ought to do some digging to see what it's really capable of.
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Slightly off topic but if that Mushkin blackline is a 1600mhz kit with 6-8-6 timings it'll clock very very well. They usually do 2000mhz+ on air
 
I've just been looking in to upgrading to Win 8 and one of the things I've com accross is, if you want to get the most out of an Bulldozer or Piledriver CPU, you really want to be running Win 8.

Seems to make a big difference to performance.
 
acme15 said:
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Yeah... Actually... Why not..?

- Haswell
- 4 cores with hyperthreading
- 3.7GHz turbo
- ECC & Non-ECC memory support
- £70 cheaper

Seems like a good option.
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This is probably one of the best price vs performance options for the OP on the Intel side of things.
In fact, I hear these E3 1230 v3 CPU's actually do well regarding game performance too.
 
Thanks to all for your responses to my question. I am still chuckling at Stelly's comment (apologies to those who suggested a 4770k - I should have made the none-4770k fact more prominent).

I'm basically going to go with the plan suggested by wam7 (who is indeed a wise guy in my opinion):

(1) 4930k + Asus x79 Deluxe + Noctua NH-D14.
(2) FX8320 + Asus board + Noctua NH-D14.

Which exactly will be determined by a series of tense financial negotiations with my wife.

I only hope the Noctua will fit through my front door :)
 
I hope you can convince her of the 4930k(or if you can find the 3930k cheaper it will be as good performance wise). x79 is an awwsome platform. But if you cant im sure you will be vary happy with your 8320 setup, i know i am with my 8350 setup..
 
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