Brand v Paxman

[the_r_sole]

When did I say he is trying to make me believe anything?

I didn't say he doesn't know what he is talking about either. You seem to just be putting words in my mouth.

sorry, I had assumed that was why you described his as a charlatan?

so what you really are saying is that your problem is with the general public and the media rather than brand himself?
the message i got from the interview was that he wanted people to think for themselves and explore alternatives to the status quo, hardly a bad thing

 

[Jono8]

sorry, I had assumed that was why you described his as a charlatan?

so what you really are saying is that your problem is with the general public and the media rather than brand himself?

In a way yes. It just frustrates me to see how everyone is gushing over him when what he is saying of himself is hypocritical and disingenuous .

I don't doubt Brand is an intelligent man ( though not as intelligent as some make out). He is very good at manipulating the public and getting people to talk about him ( as I am doing here rather ironically) but I strongly believe he doesn't care one jot for our society or the environment but instead about gaining more fame, money and success (which you cant blame him for). His whole career has been based on that. If he really wanted to be "non complicit" with companies that make huge profit, and if he really cared about our environment, he wouldn't be staring in Universals latest films, buying range rovers, flying all over the world and cashing in on it all...

 

[DJMK4]

As much as I hate the guy, I do think he has some good arguments and debates, and raises some good points, quite interesting to watch other people buckle at the knee's when trying to take him on.

He seems to have an avid way when chatting to women on TV, they know its coming, but they can't avoid it.

 

[CosmicClown]

People need to get over all the superficial crap when it comes to Brand.

LISTEN to what he says, not how he dresses or his vernacular or what hes done in the past. The people who 'hate' him (how you hate someone you dont know is beyond me) get hung up on all that crap.

To the people who think hes jumped on some sort of bandwagon for publicity, did you ever see his early stuff? When he was the host of big brothers big mouth he'd frequently drop such information into his 'act' in between all the talk of ball bags etc. Before that he did some work with MTV when he was really young (Youtube RE: Brand) and watch some episodes and you'll see such sentiments come from his mouth. So many ignorant, judgemental *****s here who just hate on him for the hell of it, probably because of jealousy.

I'd love to see any of you debate him face to face, you'd probably end up a blubbering mess and would end up reacting emotionally and getting angry. (Lol Paxman)

Imo he is the Bill Hicks of our times and when hes dead only then will he probably be recognized for it.

Imma leave this for some of you judgemental people to meditate on

“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.” Carl Gustav Jung

 

[SMN]

I agree, he uses too many pointlessly complex words - but his point is valid (other than 'There will be a revolution any day now', nonsense). I'm firmly in the camp of, i'm not putting my name to anything unless i agree with it 100% - not 'the lesser of the evils'.

 

[CosmicClown]

I agree, he uses too many pointlessly complex words - but his point is valid (other than 'There will be a revolution any day now', nonsense). I'm firmly in the camp of, i'm not putting my name to anything unless i agree with it 100% - not 'the lesser of the evils'.

I've yet to see anyone argue why that is a bad thing? Expanding peoples vocabularies? Not catering to the lowest common demoninator? Encouraging people to go look up the meaning of a word they havent heard before? Which I'll admit I've had to do numerous times when I've watched/heard Brand on something.

It's a null point and just screams jealousy to me.

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Imo he is the Bill Hicks of our times and when hes dead only then will he probably be recognized for it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA...



Oh wait you're serious


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!*dies with laughter*

 

[Surfer]

I get the feeling hes a mouthpiece or a stooge. He is certainly being briefed on what to say.

 

[Mr Joshua]

Unfortunately this expansion of the state could only last for so long, and the party is coming to an end. Obviously people don't like this but we are now living in a global economy and the West cannot continue living the way it has by exploiting cheap labour and resources from the rest of the world.

Great post.

The excessively wealthy appear to believe that they deserve the lifestyle they have with all the ostentatious trappings that go along with it. These lifestyles are subsidised by the state who has to top up the wages of the poor in order for them to maintain a reasonable standard of living because wages are too low.

The ultra wealthy want it all without having to shoulder their share of their responsibility to society.

 

[Shocky-FM]

Revolution!!!!

 

[Trusty]

Great post.

The excessively wealthy appear to believe that they deserve the lifestyle they have with all the ostentatious trappings that go along with it. These lifestyles are subsidised by the state who has to top up the wages of the poor in order for them to maintain a reasonable standard of living because wages are too low.

The ultra wealthy want it all without having to shoulder their share of their responsibility to society.

Who are the excessively wealthy though? Someone who made 500k before tax? 5mil before tax? Which?

The problem is drawing the line, someone who has made 500k before tax working his ass off with his company is quite rightly going to be angry when he gets a further chunk taken away from his salary which has already been taxed at 50%

 

[McGray]

Pretty much sums up my thoughts - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rob...t-only-dangerous_b_4155341.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

[CosmicClown]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA...



Oh wait you're serious


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!*dies with laughter*

Again, compare what these people SAY, I dont care about your personal preference based on a bunch of superficial nonsense, now are they much different?

 

[Trusty]

Again, compare what these people SAY, I dont care about your personal preference based on a bunch of superficial nonsense, now are they much different?

People do listen to what he's saying though, his ideas are no different to other socialists, it seems you are in awe of his philanthropy illusion as well.

 

[the_r_sole]

People do listen to what he's saying though, his ideas are no different to other socialists, it seems you are in awe of his philanthropy illusion as well.

he doesn't have any ideas, he's encouraging people to think about the systems that are in place and explore alternatives

 

[Mr Joshua]

Who are the excessively wealthy though? Someone who made 500k before tax? 5mil before tax? Which?

The problem is drawing the line, someone who has made 500k before tax working his ass off with his company is quite rightly going to be angry when he gets a further chunk taken away from his salary which has already been taxed at 50%

I'd consider 500k PA excessively wealthy.

The fact that 50% is necessary is an indictment on that level of wealth. It is required to try to address the low wages paid to those working their ass off lower in the company that enable the 500k earner to earn that much in the first place. If that level of tax is too high, fine, pay a fairer wage to all and we shall all shoulder the burden.

 

[SMN]

I've yet to see anyone argue why that is a bad thing? Expanding peoples vocabularies? Not catering to the lowest common demoninator? Encouraging people to go look up the meaning of a word they havent heard before? Which I'll admit I've had to do numerous times when I've watched/heard Brand on something.

It's a null point and just screams jealousy to me.

Agreed, however it comes across like he is using complex words just to cover up holes in his political views. If you have a point to make, you make it in a language that your audience understands - you dont go and try and sell something and use unnecessarily complex terms - all these adverts using 'unoffensive a'reet northern folk' to do voice-overs prove that.

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Again, compare what these people SAY, I dont care about your personal preference based on a bunch of superficial nonsense, now are they much different?

Yeah Bill Hicks is satirical and witty more often than not and makes his serious points stick with you throwing proper feeling & conviction behind it giving us his ideas on what would make a better world with thought and reason that all can agree with behind them.

Russell Brand with this admittedly eloquent way of speaking just rants and expects you to Laugh at it because he's using big words that sound funny when he says them his arguments may have substance to them but very little thought behind them take the above Video for example

"We should have a revolution because things as they are aren't working"

"Ok what would you do different?"

"It's not my place to say."

Does that sound like a well thought out argument with feeling and conviction behind it? If you want to make difference in Governance and society as a whole you best have valid ideas to back it up or you're just stating the obvious.

 

[deanolfc]

Brand for PM?