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I already posted proof of VG Chartz making up data by guessing in the other thread, but believe whatever you want.
The Wii U/Nintendo sales and financial data thread
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they do the same thing as npd, using sale samples to make estimates
they do correction when official data gets announced
they do correction when official data gets announced
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NPD is over 90% of US retailers, the sample size is huge so their estimates are extremely accurate, VG Chartz sample size is tiny, so their estimates are extremely inaccurate.
For example, VG Chartz claimed that the Wii U sold over 80k consoles the week Zelda came out, world wide, since The Wii U only sold something like 93k consoles for the entire 5 weeks of the last NPD and that sales in Japan and Europe were something like 3-4k per week for the same time period, there's pretty much no chance the Wii U sold 80k consoles that week, VG Chartz is banned from NeoGaf for a reason, the numbers are massively off.
More articles showing why you can't take their numbers are face value, they are good for a very rough estimate, but not really useful to see how a company is actually doing.
http://www.examiner.com/article/why-vgchartz-isn-t-considered-reliable
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18919
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/vgchartz-is-wrong-according-to-npd-27151752/
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I don't see why it's such a surprise that this has happened.
Most Wii owners are non-tech people (which is absolutely fine) and they don't know that the Wii-U is a new platform, rather than just some kind of add-on for the Wii.
Nintendo has always had their own IPs, Mario etc but there are people of college age now who were in primary school when the Wii came out. Their games are now Fifa and COD. Times change.
Most Wii owners are non-tech people (which is absolutely fine) and they don't know that the Wii-U is a new platform, rather than just some kind of add-on for the Wii.
Nintendo has always had their own IPs, Mario etc but there are people of college age now who were in primary school when the Wii came out. Their games are now Fifa and COD. Times change.
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It doesn't help that Nintendo have completely failed to communicate the fact the Wii U is a new console.
People expecting Wii U Party to have a massive effect and attract casuals are in for a surprise also, since I can't see many people rushing out and spending over £200 just to play a party game when there are similar games already on the Wii.
People expecting Wii U Party to have a massive effect and attract casuals are in for a surprise also, since I can't see many people rushing out and spending over £200 just to play a party game when there are similar games already on the Wii.
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I guess so, tho the gap can't be much different
I think a lot of tech is just at the point where people are happy with it and rather than upgrade, they are happy enough with what they have, rather than spend money. That's not to say that it wont get better, just that technology as lifted these devices above what the public think that they need. Mobile phones are heading this way. PS4/XB1 just captures tech minded people to spend, the Wii-U doesn't.
I'm not sure with that statement. This is exactly the sort of 'mass' market consumer that would have previously bought a Wii etc.
I have friends that have bought Wii's, 360's or PS2's previously that are happy with iOS/Android games and have no signs of buying into Wii U/PS4/One etc. For some the money spent on the iPad was money that otherwise would have bought a dedicated gaming machine.
It's also already been said that for handheld machines there's a significant percentage who might have bought a NDS or handheld previously but actually are fine with mobile gaming now. And the way 3DS and Vita are tracking backs this up (i.e. sales are down - although still very healthy and successful for 3DS).
Some interesting figures here that show the shift accross the younger generation: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ofcom-says-console-ownership-is-in-decline/0122134
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Even though you can get 1080p android games?
for a second I thought that wii-U production
Nintendo seem to wasting some money like developing the wii-mini and the 2DS. Mioght as well have used the cash to reduce the 3DS
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So Nintendo's Q2 financial report is in.
They shipped to retailers 300k consoles in the past 6 months for a total of 3.91 million world wide to date, with the following breakdown.
Regional breakdown:
140k Japan
170K NA
-10K Europe/Other
Yes that's right they actually shipped a negative number of consoles to Europe/Other, meaning retailers have actually returned consoles, not ordered more.
They are still losing money, though less than the past 2 years, they had a net income of only £3.74 million.
The Wii U is shipping around 100k a month worldwide, PS3/360 is shipping around a 1 million a month world wide, with PS4 and XB1 just around the corner I can see them outselling the Wii U's total shipments to date in a few months.
The worst thing is, Nintendo still refuse to revise their targets, they still expect to sell another 8.54 million consoles in the next 6 months, that means they need to go from selling 100k consoles a month to 1.4 million consoles a month.. yeah not going to happen. They also expect to have 1 billion yen operating profit for the whole year, they are looking at doing 20 billion at best.
I'm actually wondering how much longer the shareholders will keep Iwata around with these results.
They shipped to retailers 300k consoles in the past 6 months for a total of 3.91 million world wide to date, with the following breakdown.
Regional breakdown:
140k Japan
170K NA
-10K Europe/Other
Yes that's right they actually shipped a negative number of consoles to Europe/Other, meaning retailers have actually returned consoles, not ordered more.
They are still losing money, though less than the past 2 years, they had a net income of only £3.74 million.
The Wii U is shipping around 100k a month worldwide, PS3/360 is shipping around a 1 million a month world wide, with PS4 and XB1 just around the corner I can see them outselling the Wii U's total shipments to date in a few months.
The worst thing is, Nintendo still refuse to revise their targets, they still expect to sell another 8.54 million consoles in the next 6 months, that means they need to go from selling 100k consoles a month to 1.4 million consoles a month.. yeah not going to happen. They also expect to have 1 billion yen operating profit for the whole year, they are looking at doing 20 billion at best.
I'm actually wondering how much longer the shareholders will keep Iwata around with these results.
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This also shows how badly things are compared to other consoles
Are they seriously!? I mean I know Christmas is right around the corner and all but it's not like it doesn't have competition :\ That's mad if true!
I think the profit could be doable though? Their software sales do have insane numbers tbh and that'll surely be tied in with the 3DS as well? Which to my knowledge is doing very well.
Well that's wrong is it not?
300k for the last quarter which is 3 months running July to September...not for a 6 month period.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/30/nin...ii-u-consoles-sold-in-quarter-3ds-sales-down/
So 160k for the quarter prior...so over the 6month period it's actually 460k units. (If shipped/sales are the same thing here)
October is not included in these figures which is when the Wind Waker bundles come into effect. Things are moving in the right direction for sure, no where near their figures but it will be much higher than 300k for the next quarter.
That part is encouraging, bring the games and the sales will come.
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I was slightly off with the time frame, but that doesn't help the fact that they are far from their targets.
If 3D World, Mario Kart and Smash Bros don't turn things around massively then there's no chance of them even doing Gamecube level of sales, let alone anywhere close to Wii sales.
Wii Party U already flopped so they still aren't getting the casual market.
I still can't fathom how they are managing negative shipments in the EU, I knew things were bad, but negative shipments is something else, I could potentially see the console being dropped by more and more retailers to make space for the other 2 next gen systems.
If 3D World, Mario Kart and Smash Bros don't turn things around massively then there's no chance of them even doing Gamecube level of sales, let alone anywhere close to Wii sales.
Wii Party U already flopped so they still aren't getting the casual market.
I still can't fathom how they are managing negative shipments in the EU, I knew things were bad, but negative shipments is something else, I could potentially see the console being dropped by more and more retailers to make space for the other 2 next gen systems.
10,000 WiiU's have been sent back to Nintendo from european retailers because they can't sell them, and you think that's heading in the right direction?
Wii U will be discontinued by 2015 at this rate.
Sales are increasing in both consoles and software, you have to take some encouragement from that fact...returned consoles or not...right direction as sales are picking up and the next quarter should be much better than the one ending September 2013, that much is a guarantee.